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Old 09-03-2012, 05:38 AM   #1
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Default It's kind of long
but a good read.

http://truth-out.org/index.php?optio...-left-the-cult
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:13 AM   #2
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I read two paragraphs.. He's an idiot.

I'm glad he's gone.
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:54 AM   #3
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You mean that you don't agree with him, right?



This is the guy you're calling an idiot:
Lofgren, who has a B.A. and M.A. in history from the University of Akron, was awarded a Fulbright Scholarship to study European history at the University of Bern and University of Basel in Switzerland and completed the strategy and policy curriculum at the Naval War College.[1]

He began his legislative branch career as military legislative assistant to Republican former House representative John Kasich in 1983.

In 1994 he was a professional staff member of the House Armed Services Committee’s Readiness Subcommittee.

From 1995 to 2004, he was budget analyst for national security on the majority staff of the House Budget Committee.

From 2005 until his 2011 retirement, Lofgren was the chief analyst for military spending on the Senate Budget Committee.

Since his retirement, Lofgren has written about politics, budgets, and national security issues. His work has appeared in the Los Angeles Times, Washington Monthly, Truthout, and CounterPunch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lofgren
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Old 09-03-2012, 06:56 AM   #4
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You mean that you don't agree with him, right?



This is the guy you're calling an idiot:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lofgren
Yeah, that's the one.. He begins his piece with an almost teary lament about Republicans disregarding everything that is causing us problems.

His tenure in congress means he was there when these problems were crated, and likely had a hand in creating them.

Yes.. I called him an idiot, and I meant it.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:06 AM   #5
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I read the title of the thread and thought it was going to be about me.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:06 AM   #6
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Did that guy ever have a job?

A job other than spending tax payer money?
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:07 AM   #7
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Did that guy ever have a job?

A job other than spending tax payer money?
From what I can see, Fulbright Scholars specialize in graft..

Clinton, etc.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:08 AM   #8
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FULBRIGHT WAS A PUKE.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:08 AM   #9
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I read the title of the thread and thought it was going to be about me.
No kidding.

I thought "Why did mossy start a thread about my dick?"
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:09 AM   #10
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I'll call this, Exhibit "a"

but I could see as early as last November that the Republican Party would use the debt limit vote, an otherwise routine legislative procedure that has been used 87 times since the end of World War II, in order to concoct an entirely artificial fiscal crisis. Then, they would use that fiscal crisis to get what they wanted, by literally holding the US and global economies as hostages. He then builds on the "Hostage" analogy..

gag..

The reason he left is because there's no longer room for him.. He's not wanted, and like Charlie Crist, he's taking a parting shot on the way out the door and trying to generate some income through whining a lot and stamping his feet.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:11 AM   #11
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Everyone knows that in a hostage situation, the reckless and amoral actor has the negotiating upper hand over the cautious and responsible actor because the latter is actually concerned about the life of the hostage, while the former does not care. As you can see, he was practically Ron Reagan reincarnated..
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:16 AM   #12
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You mean that you don't agree with him, right?



This is the guy you're calling an idiot:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lofgren
You mistakenly equate a lifelong career sucking at the government tit with intelligence. Do you have anything else to say about the essay? Other than fawning about how smart he is? Something substantive?
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:18 AM   #13
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I'll call this, Exhibit "a"



He then builds on the "Hostage" analogy..

gag..

The reason he left is because there's no longer room for him.. He's not wanted, and like Charlie Crist, he's taking a parting shot on the way out the door and trying to generate some income through whining a lot and stamping his feet.
"Routine." Yeah, it's routine. Why would anybody have a problem with giving the government the power to add trillions more to the national debt? Monsters! They're holding us all hostage!

This guy is a fuckwit. Fuck him and his credentials. He's a clueless fool.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:19 AM   #14
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Exhibit "B"


A couple of years ago, a Republican committee staff director told me candidly (and proudly) what the method was to all this obstruction and disruption. Should Republicans succeed in obstructing the Senate from doing its job, it would further lower Congress's generic favorability rating among the American people. By sabotaging the reputation of an institution of government, the party that is programmatically against government would come out the relative winner. Does anyone actually believe this but Mossfern?

I mean.. Seriously..

This sounds credible to you?
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:20 AM   #15
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"Routine." Yeah, it's routine. Why would anybody have a problem with giving the government the power to add trillions more to the national debt? Monsters! They're holding us all hostage!

This guy is a fuckwit. Fuck him and his credentials. He's a clueless fool.
It's happened 87 times already!!!

I mean, we're 16 trillion in debt now.. And were close to it then.. and it's still climbing.. But hey.. 87 times!!!

I'm a Fulbright Scholar!
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:23 AM   #16
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I didn't fawn over him, just posted his credentials after JHoff called him and idiot after reading only two paragraphs.

I was hoping that there would be some clear-headed refutation of the article point by point, not ad hominem arguments.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:24 AM   #17
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I didn't fawn over him, just posted his credentials after JHoff called him and idiot after reading only two paragraphs.

I was hoping that there would be some clear-headed refutation of the article point by point, not ad hominem arguments.
His credentials: Certified Idiot after this piece..

Gold Plated..

A doctorate in Idiocy..
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:27 AM   #18
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:30 AM   #19
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You mistakenly equate a lifelong career sucking at the government tit with intelligence. Do you have anything else to say about the essay? Other than fawning about how smart he is? Something substantive?
No. Not really.
Didn't think so.
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Old 09-03-2012, 07:31 AM   #20
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These voters' confusion over who did what allows them to form the conclusion that "they are all crooks," and that "government is no good," further leading them to think, "a plague on both your houses" and "the parties are like two kids in a school yard." This ill-informed public cynicism, in its turn, further intensifies the long-term decline in public trust in government that has been taking place since the early 1960s - a distrust that has been stoked by Republican rhetoric at every turn ("Government is the problem," declared Ronald Reagan in 1980).

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