[CULTDIAMONDS]

Pointless wars with no end in sight and serving no real purpose except to feed the business of the war machine.

Pretty much.. We're making the world "safe for investment'

[craditc]

I was referring to our military footprint and the many "crusades" of our own..

Iran is an excellent example.

islam is communism for sand niggers. 'Infidels' are the convenient oppressor/strawman. What the west does isn't the catalyst...it's the excuse.

[HotboTgameR]

islam is communism for sand niggers. 'Infidels' are the convenient oppressor/strawman. What the west does isn't the catalyst...it's the excuse.

There's been many examples of US intervention to fuel these Muslims.. It's a recruitment tool.

I have to say, if generations of Iranians wanted us dead for our actions there, alone.. They wouldn't be angry for nothing.

[Ad0i89Od]

I'm just not interested in running around the world, being dicks..

I think it's counter productive. I think it hurts American morale. I think it's expensive. I think it hurts our credibility on moral issues at large and compromises the US as a legitimate global leader and beacon of democracy.

I think it fuels wild eyed types to come after us and our interests.. And, I think it's a strategy that is failing us besides.

I mean, if it worked.. AT LEAST you could say something for it.

You could say it worked.. Now?

Even that is in question.. Making it a universal failure.

[JohnTruels]

There's been many examples of US intervention to fuel these Muslims.. It's a recruitment tool.

I have to say, if generations of Iranians wanted us dead for our actions there, alone.. They wouldn't be angry for nothing.

I fail to see your point...




Iranians don't hate America...the mullahs do.

[BriKevin]

I fail to see your point...




Iranians don't hate America...the mullahs do.

The Muslim revolution in Iran happens to be our fault..

[xresultsearch]

The Muslim revolution in Iran happens to be our fault..

There is no fault to be given...US companies were trying to secure a stable oil supply...the natives wanted it for themselves. Shit happened, and here we are. That's it.
Well, that should have been it...but the sandniggers have gone a little overboard and are now a danger to human safety all over the world. They're fucking savagery isn't "OUR' fault, my friend.
THAT comes from within.

[BoomBully]

We'll have to disagree on that.. I can't imagine that an Iranian national oil company is somehow less preferable to the situation in which we now find ourselves.

I'm just tired of all of it.. China has made great inroads, and they've done it without the ability, or even the need, to project global force.

I'd prefer to go that direction.

[Innoloinarp]

I'm just tired of all of it.. China has made great inroads, and they've done it without the ability, or even the need, to project global force.

Precisely.

[OccabsLam]

Precisely.

Well, I'm glad someone else sees it that way..

This empire business is going to break us if we keep it up. And even if it didn't, it's immoral.

I just can't support it.

[everlastinge]

We'll have to disagree on that.. I can't imagine that an Iranian national oil company is somehow less preferable to the situation in which we now find ourselves.

I'm just tired of all of it.. China has made great inroads, and they've done it without the ability, or even the need, to project global force.

I'd prefer to go that direction.

Nonsense. Without the US experiences to learn from.. the Chinese would have stepped right the fuck in it had the shoe been on the other foot. They enjoy their relationships as a direct result of American influence. My point is that the resurgence of muslim fundamentalism was a go no matter what.

[Evoncalabbalo]

I don't agree.. I think it's a fire and we're fueling it with an ever expanding series of foreign policy errors.

And even if that were not the case, I don't want to be a global bully anyway... Regardless.

[Shemker394]

China has made great inroads, and they've done it without the ability, or even the need, to project global force.
.

Well china has the enviable position of possessing millions upon millions of slave labor donors. Giving them a bit of competitive edge. WE DON'T... your reasoning left out a big factor.

[klubneras]

Well china has the enviable position of possessing millions upon millions of slave labor donors. WE DON'T...your logic is highly flawed.

lol.. So.. In the absence of low wage workers, we need to deploy the US military in order to do global trade?

I see.. That's a novel concept.

[lomonel]

lol.. So.. In the absence of low wage workers, we need to deploy the US military in order to do global trade?

I see.. That's a novel concept.

I don't honestly know what china is doing or why you think it's so much better than what everybody else is doing...so I can't really comment further.

As far as I know, though...there's only one chinese company (The Central Government) for any given foreign venture which really tends to tidy things up as far as competition goes...gnome sayin'?

[Pmeidstc]

Last I heard, china is massively increasing their naval fleet. Whadayathink they plan on doing with it?

















...project FOOOORCE!!?

[new-nickname-zanovo]

Well, I'm glad someone else sees it that way..

This empire business is going to break us if we keep it up. And even if it didn't, it's immoral.

I just can't support it.

And for what? Momentary leverage, that could well change drastically within the next decade. There's nothing of any lasting substance to be gained here. Even your enemies secretly welcome your over-extending yourself this way. All the while, China sits back and waits to reap the very advantage you were looking for. And whilst never having to lift a finger in the meantime, to acquire it. When the US finally exhausts itself, China gains the upper hand by default. As an added bonus, the same reasons that made outsourcing so attractive to US firms, are compounded, as China becomes ever more enticing, and conditions at home become increasingly hostile to domestic investment. It all adds up to America's eventual reputation as a corporate pariah.

There's no upshot here.

Were I the conspinkey type, I could almost believe the WOT was a plot to undermine the US forever, via aggressive economic strategy. To make it fight itself, by fighting an enemy with limitless resources.

For America to win the war, only to discover you'd already been defeated, by going to war at all.

[disappointment2]

When the US finally exhausts itself, China gains the upper hand by default. As an added bonus, the same reasons that made outsourcing so attractive to US firms, are compounded, as China becomes ever more enticing, and conditions at home become increasingly hostile to domestic investment. It all adds up to America's eventual reputation as a corporate pariah.

There's no upshot here.

Were I the conspinkey type, I could almost believe the WOT was a plot to undermine the US forever, via aggressive economic strategy. To make it fight itself.

For America to win the war, only to discover they'd already been defeated, by going to war at all. That's exactly how it looks from here.. A series of unforced errors and compound math.

The winner isn't us... But many will benefit from the greatest markets in the history of the world coming on line, and being at ground zero when they do.

It's an excellent conspiracy theory.. Almost too good.

[PoideAdelereX]

Last I heard, china is massively increasing their naval fleet. Whadayathink they plan on doing with it?

















...project FOOOORCE!!?

Yeah, it's blue water.. Not coastal defense.

And there's only one thing you do with a blue water navy, project force abroad.

Some of that could have legitimate, defensive aims.. But that's what you do with it.

[arindiruppyr]

That's exactly how it looks from here.. A series of unforced errors and compound math.

The winner isn't us... But many will benefit from the greatest markets in the history of the world coming on line, and being at ground zero when they do.

It's an excellent conspiracy theory.. Almost too good.

Absolutely. There are future economic players we haven't heard from yet. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, if other currently languishing Asian nations, were to follow China's example. Perhaps not with the same economic clout, individually, but collectively, in a position to rival it. Because it's not too far-fetched an idea, to expect the emergence of new trading blocs.

The WOT is a fucking scam. They have no shortage of martyrs to recruit; even unto future generations of equally fanatical individuals. Most importantly, individuals with nothing to lose. Terrorism can't be beaten militarily. It's a pointless waste. Throwing good money after bad.

The mother of all guerrilla wars.