[nAKMzyBN]

I've been reading and listening to a lot of podcasts recently about the history of Rome, and have been struck by many of the things that they saw in their decline that we are seeing today. Victor Davis Hanson, a historian, made a particularly poignant observation with a play on words about the Vandals and the vandalized Central Valley of California he has spent his life in.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...r-davis-hanson

I am starting to feel as if I am living in a Vandal state, perhaps on the frontier near Carthage around a.d. 530, or in a beleaguered Rome in 455. Here are some updates from the rural area surrounding my farm, taken from about a 30-mile radius. In this take, I am not so much interested in chronicling the flotsam and jetsam as in fathoming whether there is some ideology that drives it.

Last week an ancestral rural school near the Kings River had its large bronze bell stolen. I think it dated from 1911. I have driven by it about 100 times in the 42 years since I got my first license. The bell had endured all those years. Where it is now I don’t know. Does someone just cut up a beautifully crafted bell in some chop yard in rural Fresno County, without a worry about who forged it or why — or why others for a century until now enjoyed its presence? He is chronicling the decline of civilization, at least in his neck of the woods, in real time. Right and wrong are no longer enough to keep people from taking advantage of others. The law is only relevant when somebody gets caught. How do we come back from this? Is it going to require harsh, brutal violence, with people hanging from streetlamps as a message to other would be criminals? I see dark times ahead.

[asivisepo]

Well.... There is this


http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blog...dy-claims.html

[Creva4k]

This is a little bit different, but I also find it pretty symbolic-- last fall when there was that earthquake in the mid-Atlantic, it damaged the Washington Monument. Whether it be through science, higher powers or man himself, it's symbolizes the collapse of the American way of life, thanks to no-good Socialists like Obama who pander to niggers' feeling of solace in living off the system in poverty... and trying to ruin the superior way of living most Whites have. We aren't really America anymore. We are what I call a "second-world country". We are teetering on the edge of a full-blown dictatorship where every aspect of the economy, resources, our daily lives, etc. will be controlled by the greedy and careless government. We have let political correctness and fairness get the best of us, and look at everything now-- Detroit is a hellhole and other big cities are falling victim to the nigger plague. White people are losing their hold on American society and are constantly living in fear of the nigger. If we don't rise up soon, we will be unceremoniously submitted to these fucking apes PERMANENTLY. And that grim outcome is more likely to happen than you think...

[Theorsell]

A reaffirmation is required.

Not necessarily a resurgence of religion as final arbiter, but some universal subscription to higher ideals. It would seem that society increasingly lacks some moral barometer, as secularisation proceeds apace.

As to how such a movement might be conceived and propagated, is uncertain.

Maybe we'll continue to act like cunts, until such time as Jesus comes back. Who knows?

[FreeOEMcheapestPHOTOSHOP]

There's also the economic angle to consider, for a thorough appraisal.

As the abyss between rich and poor widens, we can expect increasing civil unrest.

[PlayboyAtWork]

There's also the economic angle to consider, for a thorough appraisal.

As the abyss between rich and poor widens, we can expect increasing civil unrest.

the rich/poor thing is being overplayed by the left. Its part of the class warfare plan to divide us and give obozo 4 more years to complete his destruction of our country. The middle class is doing just fine and growing. Many of them have been hurt by the libtardian policies over the last few years, but the wealth gap thing is bullshit.

[Aminkaoo]

anyone who studies history knows that every major civilization has fallen when liberal thought became the norm, the work ethic was forgotten and the people could vote free stuff for themselves.

We are following that pattern, its amazing that humans cannot learn from history.

[Dabdklwu]

anyone who studies history knows that every major civilization has fallen when liberal thought became the norm, the work ethic was forgotten and the people could vote free stuff for themselves.

We are following that pattern, its amazing that humans cannot learn from history.

Who were these major civilizations under democratic rule, where the people voted themselves free stuff?

[Cemeuncex]

Does someone just cut up a beautifully crafted bell in some chop yard in rural Fresno County, without a worry about who forged it or why — or why others for a century until now enjoyed its presence? That really is an excellent point..

Its my personal view that this is a nearly damning condition. It's what happens when cultural moorings are severed. Because those ties are what made the bell an important artifact to begin with. Absent this, the bell has no value aside from scrap.

The inevitable result of polyculturalism..

[Stovegeothnon]

U.S.A.



ENGLAND.


ETC.



(ALL IN STEEP DECLINE)

[dalnecymync]

THERE ARE SOME REALLY STUPID AND SELFISH PEOPLE

LOOSE IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY.

[P9CCd35R]

Who were these major civilizations under democratic rule, where the people voted themselves free stuff?

Americans have done fairly well here.. They voted down TARP, didn't think the Stimulus would be a winner, opposed the auto bailouts and now oppose the Afghan war.

Granted, there's entitlements.. But they were forced to pay into those directly and its left them biased.

[fiettariaps]

JERKS BURN DOWN HISTORIC STRUCTURES

ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.


THE LOOTING IS CONTINOUS.... EVEN IN SMALL TOWN TEXAS.

[GuitarLoverBe]

They don't care, they wanna get high.... Its all about money for drugs and alcohol.. same thing in Detroit.

[djmassk]

Americans have done fairly well here.. They voted down TARP, didn't think the Stimulus would be a winner, opposed the auto bailouts and now oppose the Afghan war.

Granted, there's entitlements.. But they were forced to pay into those directly and it's left them biased.

Yeah, I don't know of any major civilizations that collapsed because the people voted themselves free stuff.

We do have tons of examples of overspending on wars and overextending colonial reach leading to collapse, of course.

[Pdarasenko]

Arguably, parts of Europe fall into this category.. Greece comes to mind.

Where people riot over "austerity" measures that run 110% of GDP.

It's not a collapse yet though.. It's a financial crisis.

[spaxiaroorbes]

Is it going to require harsh, brutal violence, with people hanging from streetlamps as a message to other would be criminals? This is basically what it boils down to. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's impossible to have a civilized society when you allow destroyers of civilization to participate in it.

[teentodiefows]

That really is an excellent point..

Its my personal view that this is a nearly damning condition. It's what happens when cultural moorings are severed. Because those ties are what made the bell an important artifact to begin with. Absent this, the bell has no value aside from scrap.

The inevitable result of polyculturalism..

People cheat. People steal. It drives me nuts.

This weekend was the opening of trout season here. You can keep 5 a day. So I see a guy (looks very conservative) leaving with 15 fish, and he has two little kids with rods along with him. My buddy was up there where he was fishing, said the guy caught all fifteen and used the kids as a way to take 3 times the limit out of there.

Fucking assholes, everywhere you look, in this society. Gotta get mine, gotta get mine, gotta get mine...

[cut sifted ephedra sinica]

Arguably, parts of Europe fall into this category.. Greece comes to mind.

Where people riot over "austerity" measures that run 110% of GDP.

It's not a collapse yet though.. It's a financial crisis.

If Greece is a "major civilization", I'll eat my hat...

I see what the point is, but Rocat just made up that idea that major civilizations throughout history collapsed because of it.

[HsSp82U8]

the rich/poor thing is being overplayed by the left. Its part of the class warfare plan to divide us and give obozo 4 more years to complete his destruction of our country. The middle class is doing just fine and growing. Many of them have been hurt by the libtardian policies over the last few years, but the wealth gap thing is bullshit.

yer stupid. its called "class struggle " and is the stated reason for every revolt.