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**HunterM** · 01-27-2012, 05:43 PM

Quit being a liberal, "eat the rich" asshole. Throwing more money in the hole is not the right way to go. It's what liberals do. Are you a fucking liberal? There is a perfect reason why nobody should be taxed on more than $110,000 - they're not going to get any extra benefit for the money they pay in. It's an insurance program, not a welfare program. If it's now a welfare program, shut it down.

I've honestly had enough of you old people complaining about how you got screwed for having to pay into the system. That's your problem, not mine. It's not my responsibility to pay for your losses.

The line has been drawn in the sand. If you support Medicare and SS, you are a liberal. Pick your side, immediately. You're either with me or your against me.

SS used to be an insurance program. That stopped when congress raided the SS trust fund to cover their greedy spendying. It is now a tax where the people working are paying for the people who are retired. As such, it should be collected on all income.

As to us "old" people, we had no choice in whether we participated in SS or medicare, it was taken from our paychecks our entire working lives without our permission. It is not unreasonable to now expect the govt to live up to its part of the contract.

I would be very happy if the govt would return everything I paid in plus compounded interest, but that not going to happen.

**foonlesse** · 01-27-2012, 05:48 PM

As to us "old" people, we had no choice in whether we participated in SS or medicare, it was taken from our paychecks our entire working lives without our permission. It is not unreasonable to now expect the govt to live up to its part of the contract.

Of course you had a choice. You had the choice to petition and lobby against it, and elect congressmen to repeal it.

There is no government living up to the contract. Cut the shit. It's Bigac and myself "living up to the contract". We don't owe you a retirement.

**LkEHaduy** · 01-27-2012, 05:50 PM

http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec
http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8
http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4
http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78
http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E
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I'VE DONE MY BEST.

I'D FIRE THE ENTIRE CONGRESS, IF IT WAS UP TO ME.

**Gulauur** · 01-27-2012, 05:50 PM

I'm not old (unless 48 is the new 90), and I've had to pay into SS my entire working life. If I don't get some of that money back, and what my husband paid too, I'll be pissed. Either make everyone pay at the same rate, or get rid of it altogether (but return the money that we've paid into it first).

**KevinDonae** · 01-27-2012, 05:50 PM

http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec
http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8
http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4
http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78
http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E
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"SOCIAL SECURITY" HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT AN ILLEGAL RACKET.

**Poohoppesmase** · 01-27-2012, 05:51 PM

I'm not old (unless 48 is the new 90), and I've had to pay into SS my entire working life. If I don't get some of that money back, and what my husband paid too, I'll be pissed. Either make everyone pay at the same rate, or get rid of it altogether (but return the money that we've paid into it first).

There is no money. It's been spent.

**gariharrr** · 01-27-2012, 05:52 PM

Of course you had a choice. You had the choice to petition and lobby against it, and elect congressmen to repeal it.

There is no government living up to the contract. Cut the shit. It's Bigac and myself "living up to the contract". We don't owe you a retirement.

Hmmmm, I don't recall either of your names on my pay stubs when that money was taken out. Nor were they on the yearly SS statements that the Govt sent me. There is a constructive contract between the govt and taxpayers relative to SS and medicare. If the govt wants to change it for young people, fine. But for those of us who paid in for 40+ years, the govt owes it to us, and there is no politician stupid enough to try to change that.

**Rugda** · 01-27-2012, 05:53 PM

I'VE DONE MY BEST.

I'D FIRE THE ENTIRE CONGRESS, IF IT WAS UP TO ME.

My hunch is that those wise enough to oppose entitlements were also wise enough to plan for their own future.

**Poohoppesmase** · 01-27-2012, 05:53 PM

http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec
http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8
http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4
http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78
http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

THERE IS NO CONTRACT.

THERE NEVER WAS ANY CONTRACT.

IT'S A RACKET.

IT'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING ELSE.

**pataagusata** · 01-27-2012, 05:54 PM

There is no money. It's been spent.

Wrong, there is plenty of money, just stop spending it on stupid things, like "green" companies who are going bankrupt every day and (as your hero RP says) stop wasting billions trying to police the world.

**Sandra_18X** · 01-27-2012, 05:55 PM

Hmmmm, I don't recall either of your names on my pay stubs when that money was taken out. Nor were they on the yearly SS statements that the Govt sent me. There is a constructive contract between the govt and taxpayers relative to SS and medicare. If the govt wants to change it for young people, fine. But for those of us who paid in for 40+ years, the govt owes it to us, and there is no politician stupid enough to try to change that.

There is no such thing. You should read the law. They don't owe anyone anything, per the "contract".

The money taken out of your paychecks is gone. Spent. And it ain't coming back.

**fgjhfgjh** · 01-27-2012, 05:55 PM

My hunch is that those wise enough to oppose entitlements were also wise enough to plan for their own future.

true, and if SS payments went away I would be just fine financially, but thats not the point, they took our money and promised monthly retirement payments. If those payments are to be stopped, give me my money back plus compounded interest.

and for goat boy, there was and is a constructive contract. Any lawyer would verify that.

**ManituIKOL** · 01-27-2012, 05:57 PM

Hmmmm, I don't recall either of your names on my pay stubs when that money was taken out. Nor were they on the yearly SS statements that the Govt sent me. There is a constructive contract between the govt and taxpayers relative to SS and medicare. If the govt wants to change it for young people, fine. But for those of us who paid in for 40+ years, the govt owes it to us, and there is no politician stupid enough to try to change that.

I'm more than happy to stop paying today. I just want back what we both paid into it. No questions asked.

I think SS & Medicare should be voluntary, not mandatory. I also don't know anyone who thinks SS is "retirement". At a whopping $1200 a month or whatever the previous high income earners get, who could live on that? Everyone I know has savings, including us. No SS, we'll be fine. But I still want my money back.

**stutnerman** · 01-27-2012, 05:57 PM

There is no such thing. You should read the law. They don't owe anyone anything, per the "contract".

The money taken out of your paychecks is gone. Spent. And it ain't coming back.

Once again, you know nothing about that which you speak.

**irrawnWab** · 01-27-2012, 05:59 PM

It was stolen!

I guess so. And/or it was never set up as a proper insurance/pension plan.

I've been paying FICA for 20 years. But I don't have any illusions that I'll be getting paychecks from the government in my golden years.

**Dreqsqse** · 01-27-2012, 06:00 PM

http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec
http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8
http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4
http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78
http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE MONEY IS GONE.

NO INTEREST HAS ACRUED.

YOU HAVE NO CONTRACT.

NO TITLE.

NOTHING.

THE CARD IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZES NO OBLIGATION TO YOU

WHATSOEVER.

**verybigf** · 01-27-2012, 06:01 PM

http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec
http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8
http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4
http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78
http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE MONEY IS GONE.

NO INTEREST HAS ACRUED.

YOU HAVE NO CONTRACT.

NO TITLE.

NOTHING.

THE CARD IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY.

THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZES NO OBLIGATION TO YOU

WHATSOEVER.

Your opinion, but incorrect.

**cialviagra** · 01-27-2012, 06:01 PM

Once again, you know nothing about that which you speak.

Read the law. There is a mandate on the payroll deduction. There is no mandate to pay benefits.

They put this stuff down on paper. It's all easily verifiable.

You're blathering that I am incorrect is worth about nothing. Reality is reality.

**VitaliyMurnov** · 01-27-2012, 06:02 PM

There's plenty of money in there now. And it can and will go on for years, decades.

I want my money back.

01-27-2012, 05:43 PM	#21
HunterM Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	Quit being a liberal, "eat the rich" asshole. Throwing more money in the hole is not the right way to go. It's what liberals do. Are you a fucking liberal? There is a perfect reason why nobody should be taxed on more than $110,000 - they're not going to get any extra benefit for the money they pay in. It's an insurance program, not a welfare program. If it's now a welfare program, shut it down. I've honestly had enough of you old people complaining about how you got screwed for having to pay into the system. That's your problem, not mine. It's not my responsibility to pay for your losses. The line has been drawn in the sand. If you support Medicare and SS, you are a liberal. Pick your side, immediately. You're either with me or your against me. SS used to be an insurance program. That stopped when congress raided the SS trust fund to cover their greedy spendying. It is now a tax where the people working are paying for the people who are retired. As such, it should be collected on all income. As to us "old" people, we had no choice in whether we participated in SS or medicare, it was taken from our paychecks our entire working lives without our permission. It is not unreasonable to now expect the govt to live up to its part of the contract. I would be very happy if the govt would return everything I paid in plus compounded interest, but that not going to happen. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:48 PM	#22
foonlesse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	As to us "old" people, we had no choice in whether we participated in SS or medicare, it was taken from our paychecks our entire working lives without our permission. It is not unreasonable to now expect the govt to live up to its part of the contract. Of course you had a choice. You had the choice to petition and lobby against it, and elect congressmen to repeal it. There is no government living up to the contract. Cut the shit. It's Bigac and myself "living up to the contract". We don't owe you a retirement. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:50 PM	#23
LkEHaduy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8 http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4 http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78 http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'VE DONE MY BEST. I'D FIRE THE ENTIRE CONGRESS, IF IT WAS UP TO ME. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:50 PM	#24
Gulauur Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 595 Senior Member	I'm not old (unless 48 is the new 90), and I've had to pay into SS my entire working life. If I don't get some of that money back, and what my husband paid too, I'll be pissed. Either make everyone pay at the same rate, or get rid of it altogether (but return the money that we've paid into it first). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:50 PM	#25
KevinDonae Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 347 Senior Member	http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8 http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4 http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78 http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "SOCIAL SECURITY" HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT AN ILLEGAL RACKET. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:51 PM	#26
Poohoppesmase Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 398 Senior Member	I'm not old (unless 48 is the new 90), and I've had to pay into SS my entire working life. If I don't get some of that money back, and what my husband paid too, I'll be pissed. Either make everyone pay at the same rate, or get rid of it altogether (but return the money that we've paid into it first). There is no money. It's been spent. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:52 PM	#27
gariharrr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 775 Senior Member	Of course you had a choice. You had the choice to petition and lobby against it, and elect congressmen to repeal it. There is no government living up to the contract. Cut the shit. It's Bigac and myself "living up to the contract". We don't owe you a retirement. Hmmmm, I don't recall either of your names on my pay stubs when that money was taken out. Nor were they on the yearly SS statements that the Govt sent me. There is a constructive contract between the govt and taxpayers relative to SS and medicare. If the govt wants to change it for young people, fine. But for those of us who paid in for 40+ years, the govt owes it to us, and there is no politician stupid enough to try to change that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:53 PM	#28
Rugda Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 348 Senior Member	I'VE DONE MY BEST. I'D FIRE THE ENTIRE CONGRESS, IF IT WAS UP TO ME. My hunch is that those wise enough to oppose entitlements were also wise enough to plan for their own future. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:54 PM	#30
pataagusata Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 800 Senior Member	There is no money. It's been spent. Wrong, there is plenty of money, just stop spending it on stupid things, like "green" companies who are going bankrupt every day and (as your hero RP says) stop wasting billions trying to police the world. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:55 PM	#31
Sandra_18X Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 456 Senior Member	Hmmmm, I don't recall either of your names on my pay stubs when that money was taken out. Nor were they on the yearly SS statements that the Govt sent me. There is a constructive contract between the govt and taxpayers relative to SS and medicare. If the govt wants to change it for young people, fine. But for those of us who paid in for 40+ years, the govt owes it to us, and there is no politician stupid enough to try to change that. There is no such thing. You should read the law. They don't owe anyone anything, per the "contract". The money taken out of your paychecks is gone. Spent. And it ain't coming back. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
	Quote

01-27-2012, 05:55 PM	#32
fgjhfgjh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	My hunch is that those wise enough to oppose entitlements were also wise enough to plan for their own future. true, and if SS payments went away I would be just fine financially, but thats not the point, they took our money and promised monthly retirement payments. If those payments are to be stopped, give me my money back plus compounded interest. and for goat boy, there was and is a constructive contract. Any lawyer would verify that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
	Quote

01-27-2012, 05:57 PM	#33
ManituIKOL Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Hmmmm, I don't recall either of your names on my pay stubs when that money was taken out. Nor were they on the yearly SS statements that the Govt sent me. There is a constructive contract between the govt and taxpayers relative to SS and medicare. If the govt wants to change it for young people, fine. But for those of us who paid in for 40+ years, the govt owes it to us, and there is no politician stupid enough to try to change that. I'm more than happy to stop paying today. I just want back what we both paid into it. No questions asked. I think SS & Medicare should be voluntary, not mandatory. I also don't know anyone who thinks SS is "retirement". At a whopping $1200 a month or whatever the previous high income earners get, who could live on that? Everyone I know has savings, including us. No SS, we'll be fine. But I still want my money back. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:57 PM	#34
stutnerman Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 492 Senior Member	There is no such thing. You should read the law. They don't owe anyone anything, per the "contract". The money taken out of your paychecks is gone. Spent. And it ain't coming back. Once again, you know nothing about that which you speak. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 05:59 PM	#35
irrawnWab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 540 Senior Member	It was stolen! I guess so. And/or it was never set up as a proper insurance/pension plan. I've been paying FICA for 20 years. But I don't have any illusions that I'll be getting paychecks from the government in my golden years. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 06:00 PM	#36
Dreqsqse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 389 Senior Member	http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8 http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4 http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78 http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE MONEY IS GONE. NO INTEREST HAS ACRUED. YOU HAVE NO CONTRACT. NO TITLE. NOTHING. THE CARD IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY. THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZES NO OBLIGATION TO YOU WHATSOEVER. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 06:01 PM	#37
verybigf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 572 Senior Member	http://youtu.be/0uUnA7ySOec http://youtu.be/C8Ff5OEUzd8 http://youtu.be/U3k4HcvCOS4 http://youtu.be/K-CFEPBWI78 http://youtu.be/xY4nUWYIt_E ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THE MONEY IS GONE. NO INTEREST HAS ACRUED. YOU HAVE NO CONTRACT. NO TITLE. NOTHING. THE CARD IS NOT YOUR PROPERTY. THE GOVERNMENT RECOGNIZES NO OBLIGATION TO YOU WHATSOEVER. Your opinion, but incorrect. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 06:01 PM	#38
cialviagra Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	Once again, you know nothing about that which you speak. Read the law. There is a mandate on the payroll deduction. There is no mandate to pay benefits. They put this stuff down on paper. It's all easily verifiable. You're blathering that I am incorrect is worth about nothing. Reality is reality. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2012, 06:02 PM	#39
VitaliyMurnov Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 449 Senior Member	There's plenty of money in there now. And it can and will go on for years, decades. I want my money back. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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