[idertedype]

Propaganda leads you to think in a way you were not thinking before its introduction to you.

After you incorporate the propaganda into everything else within your attention, or perspective landscape, you then CANNOT think without it.

Trying to dismiss it makes you regard it more.

Cult leaders are psychopaths. A pathological storyteller who continues to sell lie after lie, in order to acquire power, influence surrounding leaders, influence surrounding families, etc... is the same as a charismatic gang leader. The kind of person who smiles at you in cheshire cat fashion and has you breaking a law before you even think you can.

Now go ahead and.... post some more propaganda!

I dare you not to.

[Fluivelip]

HUH?

[Jeaxatoem]

This is my thing, I love the psycho aspects of the human mind.

IS MANIPULATION REAL?

Modern manipulation differs as much from the old crude advertising as manhandling blocks of stone is different from a machine pouring cement. The modern promoter NEVER dirties his hands with the end result. Your attitudes, whether to pop music, sex discrimination or political ideology, begin with university teachings involving argument between the relative influence of nature and nurture.

A modern government would never say, "The jury system of justice is no good, we are going to change to a system of direct judgments by our appointed judges." Oh NO! Ideologically correct control forbids any such honesty. What liberal governments now do is "bow to public pressure" from people who make up their own minds on the basis of evidence that shows the jury system failing to give justice.

The job of public relations is to create situations that will create news that the news media will publicize so as to create the required emotion, public perception and demand.

This, of course, only happens where the change to be made is important to the plans of the manipulators; issues of less importance are allowed to be resolved free of PR. By only using hidden persuasions in resolution of important issues the chance of exposure is reduced, credibility maintained, and end results attained.

That is how the system works!

Educated people are taught to scorn any idea of "conspiracy". However honest thought shows conspiracy an historic and ever present fact of life. Having gone that far, more honest thought brings us face to face with the fact of human greed for power. We only need look at the clear evidence to see the real world as very different from what we are taught to believe. Or, as Disraeli put it over one hundred years ago, "The world is governed by very different persons from what those believe who are not behind the scenes." Disraeli was in a position to know.

In this book are the essential basics of that reality.

Manipulation of human intelligence for the purpose of mass enslavement is perhaps the most despicable and inhuman abuse of power that one group of humans can practice on another.

Although drugs do help control people there is no need to put something in the water to create a zombie-like enslavement of the mass population. Designed misinformation is safer and gives the tyrant elite a more useful result because it allows the victim a determined pursuit of prosperity that will become the tyrant's reward.

I have mentioned manipulation in numerous earlier writings and beg the patience of my regular readers for the repeat of some quotations.

Here is a repeat of the quote from The Impact of Science on Society by Bertrand Russell. Quote:

It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody [children] of anything, if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment. This subject will make great strides when it is taken up by scientists under a scientific dictatorship. .

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/brain2.htm

[Rememavotscam]

Another thing that plays in this is the Hegelian Dialectic in politics, as well as in education.

There is a relationship between Finance, Centralization, and World Hegemony. Until the outbreak of the First World War, money appeared to be a mere mechanism. But the arrangements made to finance the war reveal that the money system was in fact the vehicle of a POLICY, and that that policy was the CENTRALIZATION of power leading progressively to World Government. Prior to the outbreak of war, Great Britain was the CENTRE (but not the BEING) of world financial control; with the war, financial control was transferred to New York and from there used to dismantle the British Empire which, by reason of British traditions and the Anglo-Saxon character, had been the great barrier to World Dominion by those operating through the world financial system. The fall of the British Empire was a FINANCIAL accomplishment, not a military one. But the terms of 'peace' imposed on 'victorious' Britain are those which might have been expected following military DEFEAT.

But the Power which emerged into the open in this century had its birth long before that. It was incubated (but not conceived) in the Secret Societies of Europe, appeared briefly in the French Revolution, and spread to Britain in the form of Fabianism, and to America in the form of various Socialist societies. Following the first phase of the war, it openly took over Russia, and since has visibly spread as International Communism until it has taken over the greater part of the globe.

Current history, which looks episodic, is in fact the culminating stages of a very long-term policy moving internationally, but visible only in the long perspective of time.

What we think we see is often an illusion intentionally presented, like the conjuror who would have you to believe he holds an orange in his right hand, when it is actually in his left hand. Citizens of the world, whether their sympathies are left-wing or right-wing, monarchist or republican, have been used as pawns in their game of Hegelian psychology by the hidden hand that rules.

In reality, the orange is in neither left nor right hand. The Hegelian dialectic process is the notion that conflict creates history. (See brain2.htm "Brainwash").

From this axiom it follows that controlled conflict can create a predetermined history. For example when the Trilateral Commission discusses 'managed conflict', as it does extensively in its literature, it implies the managed use of conflict for long run predetermined ends - not for the mere random exercise of manipulative control to solve a problem.

The dialectic takes this Trilateral 'managed conflict' process one step further. In Hegelian terms, an existing force (the thesis) generates a counterforce (the antithesis). Conflict between the two forces results in the forming of a synthesis. Then the process starts all over again: Thesis vs. antithesis results in synthesis.

It's like two companies with undisclosed common stockholding submitting competitive tenders for a project on a site for which their stockholder has different plans altogether. Whatever the outcome, the stockholder is in beneficial control.


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb970219.htm

[wentscat]

Good stuff.

Are you a Chevy guy, a Ford guy, or a Dodge guy?

[Misespimb]

I wear a tin foil hat....some say.

[Fegasderty]

I wear a tin foil hat....some say.

Does your asshole hate you for it?


Or, is it the best thing that ever happened to you?

Everyone loves the love.

[Tactattcahhaw]

Good stuff.

Are you a Chevy guy, a Ford guy, or a Dodge guy?

That would flood the call lines.

[SarkisPioute]

http://youtu.be/VuzCGXzw5S8
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ORDER THE BEET JUICE.

OTHER THAN THAT, THE MENU IS SHIT.

[Encannavalf]

Propaganda leads you to think in a way you were not thinking before its introduction to you.

So does education, experience and insight.

Idiot.

After you incorporate the propaganda into everything else within your attention, or perspective landscape, you then CANNOT think without it. Incorrect. And define 'everything else' (along lines that support uniformity of process).

Trying to dismiss it makes you regard it more. Not of necessity.

Cult leaders are psychopaths. Not of necessity.

A pathological storyteller... As opposed to, say, a novelist or a playwright? How do you define pathology, in this context?

...who continues to sell lie after lie, in order to acquire power, influence surrounding leaders, influence surrounding families, etc... is the same as a charismatic gang leader. Not of necessity.

Quite a stretch, considering the differences in opportunity, resources, ideology and objectives.

The kind of person who smiles at you in cheshire cat fashion and has you breaking a law before you even think you can. All propagandists compel their audiences towards criminal behaviour? And no, that couldn't be a crime, given mens rea. Indeed, we could cite diminished responsibility as a defence, given your claim of literal mindlessness. Or you didn't think that one through, before you typed it. If not, then how is a crime committed, given lack of 'intention'.

Now go ahead and.... post some more propaganda!

I dare you not to. I'd rather sit and mock your stupid shit.

[elossenen]

TommyB.

Black and white. A to B.

Click...click...click...

What a simple creature you are.

[HonjUopu]

So does education, experience and insight.

Idiot.

Literature?

Education is full of propaganda. It is up to teacher and student to coordinate the curriculum/material/context in a practical way that has been deemed interpretable and useful as per the status quo. There are breakouts for sure, and there are also duplications, you can provides samples.

Dolls, monies, icons (hieroglyphs), archetypes, other inventions (story, animal, vegetable, mineral...)

So there you go. Pick one. Draw more than one line in the sand.

Incorrect. And define 'everything else' (along lines that support uniformity of process).


Not of necessity.


Not of necessity.


As opposed to, say, a novelist or a playwright? How do you define pathology, in this context?


Not of necessity.

Quite a stretch, considering the differences in opportunity, resources, ideology and objectives.


All propagandists compel their audiences towards criminal behaviour? And no, that couldn't be a crime, given mens rea. Indeed, we could cite diminished responsibility as a defence, given your claim of literal mindlessness. Or you didn't think that one through, before you typed it. If not, then how is a crime committed, given lack of 'intention'.


I'd rather sit and mock your stupid shit.

Many times people think incorrectly that propaganda is supposed to be political or have something to do with a "happening" issue that is context-ed timely in today's media presenters.

[dahlilaninfo]

TommyB.

Black and white. A to B.

Click...click...click...

What a simple creature you are.

I can get into KISS.

[PilotVertolet]

[Wrencytet]

Mikhail Gorbachev Says Occupy Wall Street Signals an Emerging New World Order

As the Occupy Wall Street movement continues, some unlikely faces appear supporting the movement and some even more unlikely scenarios are presented as “solutions”. While most protesters call for the return of grass-roots democracy and the stop of the unlawful rule of international banks, you have figures working for the exact opposite – a big, fat, socialist world government – supporting the movement. George Soros and Mikhail Gorbachev, two of the world’s most vocal elite globalists, have indeed been working for years for a New World Order and everything it implies.

Is OWS trapping people in Hegelian dialectic, where supporting the protesters becomes supporting a New World Order? Here’s what Gorbachev said during on October 20th at Lafayette College.

“We are reaping the consequences of a strategy that is not conducive to cooperation and partnership, to living in a new global situation. The world needs goals that will bring people together. Some people in the United States were pushing the idea of creating a global American empire, and that was a mistake from the start. Other people in America are now giving thought to the future of their country. The big banks, the big corporations, are still paying the same big bonuses to their bosses. Was there ever a crisis for them? . . . I believe America needs its own perestroika. The entire world situation did not develop properly. We saw deterioration where there should have been positive movement.

My friend the late Pope John Paul II said it best. He said, ‘We need a new world order, one that is more stable, more humane, and more just.’ Others, including myself, have spoken about a new world order, but we are still facing the problem of building such a world order…problems of the environment, of backwardness and poverty, food shortages…all because we do not have a system of global governance. We cannot leave things as they were before, when we are seeing that these protests are moving to even new countries, that almost all countries are now witnessing such protests, that the people want change. As we are addressing these challenges, these problems raised by these protest movements, we will gradually find our way towards a new world order.”

- Lafayette College website __________________________________________________ ____________

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

Introduction: Why study Hegel?

"...the State 'has the supreme right against the individual, whose supreme duty is to be a member of the State... for the right of the world spirit is above all special privileges.'" Author/historian William Shirer, quoting Georg Hegel in his The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959, page 144)

In 1847 the London Communist League (Karl Marx and Frederick Engels) used Hegel's theory of the dialectic to back up their economic theory of communism. Now, in the 21st century, Hegelian-Marxist thinking affects our entire social and political structure. The Hegelian dialectic is the framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. If we do not understand how the Hegelian dialectic shapes our perceptions of the world, then we do not know how we are helping to implement the vision. When we remain locked into dialectical thinking, we cannot see out of the box.

Hegel's dialectic is the tool which manipulates us into a frenzied circular pattern of thought and action. Every time we fight for or defend against an ideology we are playing a necessary role in Marx and Engels' grand design to advance humanity into a dictatorship of the proletariat. The synthetic Hegelian solution to all these conflicts can't be introduced unless we all take a side that will advance the agenda. The Marxist's global agenda is moving along at breakneck speed. The only way to completely stop the privacy invasions, expanding domestic police powers, land grabs, insane wars against inanimate objects (and transient verbs), covert actions, and outright assaults on individual liberty, is to step outside the dialectic. This releases us from the limitations of controlled and guided thought.

When we understand what motivated Hegel, we can see his influence on all of our destinies. ... Hegelian conflicts steer every political arena on the planet, from the United Nations to the major American political parties, all the way down to local school boards and community councils. Dialogues and consensus-building are primary tools of the dialectic, and terror and intimidation are also acceptable formats for obtaining the goal. The ultimate Third Way agenda is world government. Once we get what's really going on, we can cut the strings and move our lives in original directions outside the confines of the dialectical madness. Focusing on Hegel's and Engel's ultimate agenda, and avoiding getting caught up in their impenetrable theories of social evolution, gives us the opportunity to think and act our way toward freedom, justice, and genuine liberty for all.

Today the dialectic is active in every political issue that encourages taking sides. We can see it in environmentalists instigating conflicts against private property owners, in democrats against republicans, in greens against libertarians, in communists against socialists, in neo-cons against traditional conservatives, in community activists against individuals, in pro-choice versus pro-life, in Christians against Muslims, in isolationists versus interventionists, in peace activists against war hawks. No matter what the issue, the invisible dialectic aims to control both the conflict and the resolution of differences, and leads everyone involved into a new cycle of conflicts.

We're definitely not in Kansas anymore.

For a visual concept, see this simple chart [page now deleted] of the Hegelian Dialectic and Marx's Dialectical Materialism, posted by the Calverton Private School. Continued.....
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm

[2puO4Rhf]

Spare me your Picasso vs Einstein...

Anyway a dude walks into a bar.

And the dude is attractive so the women talk about him.

The barkeep and the regulars get envious.

Suddenly the prices for drinks are higher for drifters.

[CatLuvkaLover]

You high planes drifters might be good at basic shapes and geometry... but later it gets harder don't it?

[FourEsters]

So does education, experience and insight.

Idiot.


Incorrect. And define 'everything else' (along lines that support uniformity of process).


Not of necessity.


Not of necessity.


As opposed to, say, a novelist or a playwright? How do you define pathology, in this context?


Not of necessity.

Quite a stretch, considering the differences in opportunity, resources, ideology and objectives.


All propagandists compel their audiences towards criminal behaviour? And no, that couldn't be a crime, given mens rea. Indeed, we could cite diminished responsibility as a defence, given your claim of literal mindlessness. Or you didn't think that one through, before you typed it. If not, then how is a crime committed, given lack of 'intention'.


I'd rather sit and mock your stupid shit.

You are sooooooooo mean...but I love it.

[herawaq]

Literature?

Education is full of propaganda. It is up to teacher and student to coordinate the curriculum/material/context in a practical way that has been deemed interpretable and useful as per the status quo. There are breakouts for sure, and there are also duplications, you can provides samples.

Dolls, monies, icons (hieroglyphs), archetypes, other inventions (story, animal, vegetable, mineral...)

So there you go. Pick one. Draw more than one line in the sand.

Your mention here of student-teacher interaction, is not quite the passive process of manipulation you previously described. In any case, whether flawed and biased or not, education requires a feedback loop to be successful. In essence, the very process of pro-active learning, that would thwart indoctrination, brainwashing (that both require suspension of criticality, emotional inducement, and repetition). And bias could never be a constant, given the empiricism of such as the sciences, mathematics and technology. Nor English (and other languages). Basically, what are known as the 'core subjects' exist virtually without bias. Of course the humanities and arts are open to interpretation, but across a far wider spectrum, than any propagandist worth his craft, would seek to supplant, with any contrived commonality. You're pissing in the wind here, Tommy.

And what of experience and insight? These too leave one with a different mindset, and yet may do so quite easily, and naturally, without any external manipulation whatsoever.

Many times people think incorrectly that propaganda is supposed to be political or have something to do with a "happening" issue that is context-ed timely in today's media presenters. You set the tone of this thread in terms of nothing but political motive. Even going so far as to utilise political examples.
And if no strictly political, then what other applications were you referring to?

Btw, you could have condescended to address my post in full. I did so, in response to your own.

[FrereeDoulley]

I can get into KISS.

All is linear, eh Tommy?

This despite the fact that your very brain does not operate that way.

Or shouldn't be, at any rate. But perhaps you're the exception.