We shouldn't pay off the debt or end entitlements. - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**Pharmadryg** · 12-07-2011, 09:04 PM

Can you imagine the orgy of bailouts, war, dick washing programs and everything else that we'd be funding if there were no debt?

Does anyone question that we'd be at war with Iran this minute? That we'd have green intervention everywhere? That we'd be goosing the economy every fucking day? Bailing out Europe? Can you even imagine what the TSA would look like?

We'd do all of these things.. and more.. If there were no debt.

The fact that we're a few bucks from another downgrade is the only thing holding DC in check..

And we shouldn't end entitlements.. We should reform and means test them, and pay them out to the best of our ability. Sure, that makes them welfare, and that's fine. It's what they have become, thanks to decades of fiscal malpractice in DC.

They constitute a debt so large, that their immense size alone could be harnessed to constrain DC's other excesses.

Until and unless something is done to reform our interventionist, warmongering, money junkie government, the debt should NEVER be paid off..

It's the only thing left that's still big enough to stop them.

But we couldn't do it anyway, right? Even if we wanted to?

Perhaps we could.. A quick check on Wikipedia says there's about 60 trillion bucks in net worth, sitting around in the top 25% of American households.. Remember Donald Trump's offer to pay off the debt in exchange for various tax exemptions?

Imagine a lottery for a permanent 0% tax rate.. On everything. Forever. You could even include businesses in the competition if you wanted, or just isolate it to individuals.. Anyway..

Now imagine a spreadsheet.. with a column of names and dollar amounts beside them.. Ranked from largest to smallest. There could be a finite number of spaces available, or you could just leave it unlimited.. Anyway..

Like a game of musical chairs, the biggest contributors are at the top of the list, which then trails down to the smallest.. and once a figure is reached, say it is 5 trillion dollars.. The game stops, and the opportunity is over.

So, there's an incentive to go big and move fast.. The list can be as long or short as necessary.. All we're concerned with is hitting the target number... 5 Trillion seems reasonable..

Would that work? Fuck, I don't know.. But I know this: It shouldn't be attempted.. Because even if it did work, unless DC is fixed, we'd be right back where we are within a decade.

Isn't that a sad state of affairs? That we're being protected from a predator class by a mountain of debt that stretches into space?

**alexosnasos2** · 12-07-2011, 09:43 PM

PAHSE OUT "ENTITLEMENTS"..

GET THE GOVERNMENT OFF THE ECONOMY'S NECK.

PAY OFF THE CREDITORS.

STOMP THE CONGRESS.... STOMP THEM HARD AND OFTEN.

**smokeberly** · 12-07-2011, 09:44 PM

WE NEED TO ELECT AND MAINTAIN A PRIVATE SECTOR CONGRESS.

THAT'S WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO.

**wvbwxol** · 12-07-2011, 09:50 PM

Can you imagine the orgy of bailouts, war, dick washing programs and everything else that we'd be funding if there were no debt?

Does anyone question that we'd be at war with Iran this minute? That we'd have green intervention everywhere? That we'd be goosing the economy every fucking day? Bailing out Europe? Can you even imagine what the TSA would look like?

We'd do all of these things.. and more.. If there were no debt.

The fact that we're a few bucks from another downgrade is the only thing holding DC in check..

And we shouldn't end entitlements.. We should reform and means test them, and pay them out to the best of our ability. Sure, that makes them welfare, and that's fine. It's what they have become, thanks to decades of fiscal malpractice in DC.

They constitute a debt so large, that their immense size alone could be harnessed to constrain DC's other excesses.

Until and unless something is done to reform our interventionist, warmongering, money junkie government, the debt should NEVER be paid off..

It's the only thing left that's still big enough to stop them.

But we couldn't do it anyway, right? Even if we wanted to?

Perhaps we could.. A quick check on Wikipedia says there's about 60 trillion bucks in net worth, sitting around in the top 25% of American households.. Remember Donald Trump's offer to pay off the debt in exchange for various tax exemptions?

Imagine a lottery for a permanent 0% tax rate.. On everything. Forever. You could even include businesses in the competition if you wanted, or just isolate it to individuals.. Anyway..

Now imagine a spreadsheet.. with a column of names and dollar amounts beside them.. Ranked from largest to smallest. There could be a finite number of spaces available, or you could just leave it unlimited.. Anyway..

Like a game of musical chairs, the biggest contributors are at the top of the list, which then trails down to the smallest.. and once a figure is reached, say it is 5 trillion dollars.. The game stops, and the opportunity is over.

So, there's an incentive to go big and move fast.. The list can be as long or short as necessary.. All we're concerned with is hitting the target number... 5 Trillion seems reasonable..

Would that work? Fuck, I don't know.. But I know this: It shouldn't be attempted.. Because even if it did work, unless DC is fixed, we'd be right back where we are within a decade.

Isn't that a sad state of affairs? That we're being protected from a predator class by a mountain of debt that stretches into space?

Great post.

**Hdzcxqoi** · 12-07-2011, 10:02 PM

TY...

**finasteride** · 12-07-2011, 10:04 PM

TY...

It's food for thought. What would these geniuses have us involved in if we could write a blank check? Terrifying...

**QYD8eQ8F** · 12-07-2011, 10:07 PM

It's food for thought. What would these geniuses have us involved in if we could write a blank check? Terrifying...

Oh, fuck.. there'd be no limit!

We're being saved from this by a mountain of debt. It's a terrible situation to find yourself in.

But, I think that's exactly where we are.

**Xibizopt** · 12-07-2011, 10:24 PM

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http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis
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THEY HAVE A BLANK CHECK.... WHICH WE SUFFER THEM

TO EXECUTE AT WILL AGAINST OUR RESOURCES.

IT'S CALLED THE SIXTEENTH AMENDMENT.

IT'S AUGMENTED AND EXTENDED BY SOMETHING

CALLED THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT.

**nAKMzyBN** · 12-07-2011, 10:25 PM

..... ET AL................

**rsdefwgxvcfdts** · 12-07-2011, 10:26 PM

FIRE THIS ROTTEN, RENEGADE CONGRESS!

RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION!

IT WON'T HURT JESHU TO GET A REAL JOB!

**CULTDIAMONDS** · 12-07-2011, 10:26 PM

Seriously, Klein. What the fuck is the matter with you? The pics, the giant fonts?

**Misespimb** · 12-07-2011, 10:27 PM

FIRE THIS ROTTEN, RENEGADE CONGRESS!

RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION!

IT WON'T HURT JESHU TO GET A REAL JOB!

What?!?!?!?

**b7RKli4l** · 12-07-2011, 10:28 PM

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http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis
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THIS CONGRESS DOESN'T GIVE

A DAMN ABOUT THE DEBT.

WHY SHOULD THEY?

IT'S YOUR DEBT, NOT

THEIRS!!!!!

**DouseAuthott** · 12-07-2011, 10:28 PM

SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!

**StevenS** · 12-07-2011, 10:35 PM

You're a nut.

**allaboutauto.us** · 12-07-2011, 10:38 PM

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http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis
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YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I AM.

BUT I'M NOT SUCH A FOOL AS TO BUY THE SHIT

COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON.

**interbaoui** · 12-07-2011, 10:40 PM

YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I AM.

BUT I'M NOT SUCH A FOOL AS TO BUY THE SHIT

COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON.

**pprropeciaaa** · 12-07-2011, 10:40 PM

I have a real job, by the way. That hurt...

**italertb** · 12-07-2011, 10:42 PM

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http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis
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SHUT UP AND PAY UP.

WHATEVER THE CONGRESS DEMANDS IS WHAT YOU OWE.

DON'T THINK OF DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

THEY ARE YOUR BETTERS, AND YOU MUST DEFER TO THEM.

**MARMELADINA** · 12-07-2011, 10:57 PM

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http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis
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THIS CONGRESS DOESN'T GIVE

A DAMN ABOUT THE DEBT.

WHY SHOULD THEY?

IT'S YOUR DEBT, NOT

THEIRS!!!!!

It's free money to shower on their contributors and funnel back to themselves..

12-07-2011, 09:04 PM	#1
Pharmadryg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	We shouldn't pay off the debt or end entitlements. Can you imagine the orgy of bailouts, war, dick washing programs and everything else that we'd be funding if there were no debt? Does anyone question that we'd be at war with Iran this minute? That we'd have green intervention everywhere? That we'd be goosing the economy every fucking day? Bailing out Europe? Can you even imagine what the TSA would look like? We'd do all of these things.. and more.. If there were no debt. The fact that we're a few bucks from another downgrade is the only thing holding DC in check.. And we shouldn't end entitlements.. We should reform and means test them, and pay them out to the best of our ability. Sure, that makes them welfare, and that's fine. It's what they have become, thanks to decades of fiscal malpractice in DC. They constitute a debt so large, that their immense size alone could be harnessed to constrain DC's other excesses. Until and unless something is done to reform our interventionist, warmongering, money junkie government, the debt should NEVER be paid off.. It's the only thing left that's still big enough to stop them. But we couldn't do it anyway, right? Even if we wanted to? Perhaps we could.. A quick check on Wikipedia says there's about 60 trillion bucks in net worth, sitting around in the top 25% of American households.. Remember Donald Trump's offer to pay off the debt in exchange for various tax exemptions? Imagine a lottery for a permanent 0% tax rate.. On everything. Forever. You could even include businesses in the competition if you wanted, or just isolate it to individuals.. Anyway.. Now imagine a spreadsheet.. with a column of names and dollar amounts beside them.. Ranked from largest to smallest. There could be a finite number of spaces available, or you could just leave it unlimited.. Anyway.. Like a game of musical chairs, the biggest contributors are at the top of the list, which then trails down to the smallest.. and once a figure is reached, say it is 5 trillion dollars.. The game stops, and the opportunity is over. So, there's an incentive to go big and move fast.. The list can be as long or short as necessary.. All we're concerned with is hitting the target number... 5 Trillion seems reasonable.. Would that work? Fuck, I don't know.. But I know this: It shouldn't be attempted.. Because even if it did work, unless DC is fixed, we'd be right back where we are within a decade. Isn't that a sad state of affairs? That we're being protected from a predator class by a mountain of debt that stretches into space? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-07-2011, 09:43 PM	#2
alexosnasos2 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 596 Senior Member	PAHSE OUT "ENTITLEMENTS".. GET THE GOVERNMENT OFF THE ECONOMY'S NECK. PAY OFF THE CREDITORS. STOMP THE CONGRESS.... STOMP THEM HARD AND OFTEN. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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smokeberly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	WE NEED TO ELECT AND MAINTAIN A PRIVATE SECTOR CONGRESS. THAT'S WHAT IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-07-2011, 09:50 PM	#4
wvbwxol Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 426 Senior Member	Can you imagine the orgy of bailouts, war, dick washing programs and everything else that we'd be funding if there were no debt? Does anyone question that we'd be at war with Iran this minute? That we'd have green intervention everywhere? That we'd be goosing the economy every fucking day? Bailing out Europe? Can you even imagine what the TSA would look like? We'd do all of these things.. and more.. If there were no debt. The fact that we're a few bucks from another downgrade is the only thing holding DC in check.. And we shouldn't end entitlements.. We should reform and means test them, and pay them out to the best of our ability. Sure, that makes them welfare, and that's fine. It's what they have become, thanks to decades of fiscal malpractice in DC. They constitute a debt so large, that their immense size alone could be harnessed to constrain DC's other excesses. Until and unless something is done to reform our interventionist, warmongering, money junkie government, the debt should NEVER be paid off.. It's the only thing left that's still big enough to stop them. But we couldn't do it anyway, right? Even if we wanted to? Perhaps we could.. A quick check on Wikipedia says there's about 60 trillion bucks in net worth, sitting around in the top 25% of American households.. Remember Donald Trump's offer to pay off the debt in exchange for various tax exemptions? Imagine a lottery for a permanent 0% tax rate.. On everything. Forever. You could even include businesses in the competition if you wanted, or just isolate it to individuals.. Anyway.. Now imagine a spreadsheet.. with a column of names and dollar amounts beside them.. Ranked from largest to smallest. There could be a finite number of spaces available, or you could just leave it unlimited.. Anyway.. Like a game of musical chairs, the biggest contributors are at the top of the list, which then trails down to the smallest.. and once a figure is reached, say it is 5 trillion dollars.. The game stops, and the opportunity is over. So, there's an incentive to go big and move fast.. The list can be as long or short as necessary.. All we're concerned with is hitting the target number... 5 Trillion seems reasonable.. Would that work? Fuck, I don't know.. But I know this: It shouldn't be attempted.. Because even if it did work, unless DC is fixed, we'd be right back where we are within a decade. Isn't that a sad state of affairs? That we're being protected from a predator class by a mountain of debt that stretches into space? Great post. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Hdzcxqoi Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 359 Senior Member	TY... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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finasteride Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 488 Senior Member	TY... It's food for thought. What would these geniuses have us involved in if we could write a blank check? Terrifying... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-07-2011, 10:07 PM	#7
QYD8eQ8F Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	It's food for thought. What would these geniuses have us involved in if we could write a blank check? Terrifying... Oh, fuck.. there'd be no limit! We're being saved from this by a mountain of debt. It's a terrible situation to find yourself in. But, I think that's exactly where we are. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-07-2011, 10:24 PM	#8
Xibizopt Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	~~~~ http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THEY HAVE A BLANK CHECK.... WHICH WE SUFFER THEM TO EXECUTE AT WILL AGAINST OUR RESOURCES. IT'S CALLED THE SIXTEENTH AMENDMENT. IT'S AUGMENTED AND EXTENDED BY SOMETHING CALLED THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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nAKMzyBN Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	..... ET AL................ Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-07-2011, 10:26 PM	#10
rsdefwgxvcfdts Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	FIRE THIS ROTTEN, RENEGADE CONGRESS! RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION! IT WON'T HURT JESHU TO GET A REAL JOB! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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CULTDIAMONDS Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 537 Senior Member	Seriously, Klein. What the fuck is the matter with you? The pics, the giant fonts? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Misespimb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 376 Senior Member	FIRE THIS ROTTEN, RENEGADE CONGRESS! RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION! IT WON'T HURT JESHU TO GET A REAL JOB! What?!?!?!? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-07-2011, 10:28 PM	#13
b7RKli4l Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 487 Senior Member	~~~~ http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THIS CONGRESS DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE DEBT. WHY SHOULD THEY? IT'S YOUR DEBT, NOT THEIRS!!!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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allaboutauto.us Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 454 Senior Member	~~~~ http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ YOU'RE DAMNED RIGHT I AM. BUT I'M NOT SUCH A FOOL AS TO BUY THE SHIT COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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italertb Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 419 Senior Member	~~~~ http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SHUT UP AND PAY UP. WHATEVER THE CONGRESS DEMANDS IS WHAT YOU OWE. DON'T THINK OF DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEY ARE YOUR BETTERS, AND YOU MUST DEFER TO THEM. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MARMELADINA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	~~~~ http://youtu.be/Rr2YEsymZis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ THIS CONGRESS DOESN'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE DEBT. WHY SHOULD THEY? IT'S YOUR DEBT, NOT THEIRS!!!!! It's free money to shower on their contributors and funnel back to themselves.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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