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**flienianO** · 10-27-2011, 05:31 PM

"The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free." - John Adams

**BrainTop** · 10-27-2011, 05:39 PM

THE RIGHT TO HOLD PROPERTY IS THE ESSENTIAL

KEYSTONE OF CIVILIZATION.

WHENEVER IT IS REMOVED, THE STRUCTURE OF

CIVILIZATION IS FATALLY WEAKENED.

**bestbyV** · 10-27-2011, 06:34 PM

A huge issue these days, that not enough attention is given to.

Governments on ANY level, fucking with private owned property, at various levels, when the property should be held as sacred. It isn't.

New city or country road going through somewhere? They'll take 500 feet of your land, and pay you what their appraisers say it's worth.......or you can try to fight them in court, and lose after spending a hundred K on lawyers.

Have a creek on you land? Does it feed into a state owned lake? Then the state may step in and deem that as 'State land', since it feeds their property. And then seize 1/2 mile on each side of the creek.....or you can try to fight them in court, and lose after spending a hundred K on lawyers.

Want to open a kennel on your land? Then you must get approval from the city/country/state first......or you can try to fight them in court, and lose after spending a hundred K on lawyers.

That's not what I call 'sacred'.

**meteeratymn** · 10-27-2011, 07:12 PM

ABOUT ALL YOU OWN IS RISK, AND THEY CONTROL THAT.

FIRE THEM ALL.

**womberte** · 10-27-2011, 07:36 PM

Our problems are predominantly caused by our morality, or lack thereof...

**krek-sikUp** · 10-27-2011, 07:43 PM

WE TOLERATE A RENEGADE CONGRESS.

WE NEED TO STOP DOING THAT RIGHT NOW.

**CurtisTH** · 10-27-2011, 10:16 PM

That's interesting. But somehow I doubt if the Commandments were intended to empower corporate profligacy, which is what Adams is breaking his neck not to say directly. Let's not stoop to using religion to justify ownership. Jesus spoke of poverty as wealth, of sharing, of enabling the weak and the downtrodden. Not of consolidating one's material gains.

**massons** · 10-27-2011, 10:19 PM

Who owns you?

**ëàìèíàò** · 10-27-2011, 10:22 PM

God.

**tousuarshatly** · 10-27-2011, 11:49 PM

That's interesting. But somehow I doubt if the Commandments were intended to empower corporate profligacy, which is what Adams is breaking his neck not to say directly. Let's not stoop to using religion to justify ownership. Jesus spoke of poverty as wealth, of sharing, of enabling the weak and the downtrodden. Not of consolidating one's material gains.

Well, I doubt it, since corporations as perpetual public enterprise did not exist at the time....

Weren't you aware? Publicly traded perpetual corporations were birthed in the second half of the 19th century...

**h0ldem** · 10-27-2011, 11:55 PM

God.

Certainly God wants the poor to be fed, clothed, housed, etc...

Free market capitalism has been the greatest expeditor of this...

**yharmon6614** · 10-28-2011, 12:10 AM

YOU MUST FIRST CREATE/ACQUIRE WEALTH

BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO SHARE WEALTH.

CHRIST DID NOT ADVOCATE PLUNDER.

**Franchise** · 10-28-2011, 12:12 AM

I AM PART OWNER OF EXXON MOBILE.

I AM FREE TO ORGANIZE A GROUP OF CAPITAL HOLDERS

TO ACQUIRE A CONTROLLING INTEREST IN EXXON MOBIL...

UNLESS THE GOVERNMEWNT SAYS OTHERWISE.

**idertedype** · 10-28-2011, 12:13 AM

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

WANT SOME WAL MART?

GO BUY IT.

**h4z1XBI7** · 10-28-2011, 12:24 AM

I AM PART OWNER OF EXXON MOBILE.

YOU BLOODY FOOKIN FAT CAT!!!!!!

**gundas** · 10-28-2011, 12:25 AM

Er, sorry, but I think it's Mobil...

No "E"...

I expect more from an owner...

**rouletteroulette** · 10-28-2011, 12:31 AM

Well, I doubt it, since corporations as perpetual public enterprise did not exist at the time....

Weren't you aware? Publicly traded perpetual corporations were birthed in the second half of the 19th century...

That's really not the point.

Christ's lessons were never intended to be applicable to business. They were lessons of attitude and personal conduct.

**Bvghbopz** · 10-28-2011, 12:33 AM

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IT'S WHATEVER THE FUCK I SAY IT IS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S MAGNOLIA.

**bapimporb** · 10-28-2011, 12:34 AM

Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?

**Maphpseurse** · 10-28-2011, 12:37 AM

IT'S WHATEVER THE FUCK I SAY IT IS.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S MAGNOLIA. [/SIZE]

You tyrant!!!!

10-27-2011, 05:31 PM	#1
flienianO Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	Property "The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If ‘Thou shalt not covet’ and ‘Thou shalt not steal’ were not commandments of heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free." - John Adams Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-27-2011, 05:39 PM	#2
BrainTop Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 349 Senior Member	THE RIGHT TO HOLD PROPERTY IS THE ESSENTIAL KEYSTONE OF CIVILIZATION. WHENEVER IT IS REMOVED, THE STRUCTURE OF CIVILIZATION IS FATALLY WEAKENED. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-27-2011, 06:34 PM	#3
bestbyV Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 406 Senior Member	A huge issue these days, that not enough attention is given to. Governments on ANY level, fucking with private owned property, at various levels, when the property should be held as sacred. It isn't. New city or country road going through somewhere? They'll take 500 feet of your land, and pay you what their appraisers say it's worth.......or you can try to fight them in court, and lose after spending a hundred K on lawyers. Have a creek on you land? Does it feed into a state owned lake? Then the state may step in and deem that as 'State land', since it feeds their property. And then seize 1/2 mile on each side of the creek.....or you can try to fight them in court, and lose after spending a hundred K on lawyers. Want to open a kennel on your land? Then you must get approval from the city/country/state first......or you can try to fight them in court, and lose after spending a hundred K on lawyers. That's not what I call 'sacred'. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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meteeratymn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 503 Senior Member	ABOUT ALL YOU OWN IS RISK, AND THEY CONTROL THAT. FIRE THEM ALL. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-27-2011, 10:16 PM	#7
CurtisTH Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 391 Senior Member	That's interesting. But somehow I doubt if the Commandments were intended to empower corporate profligacy, which is what Adams is breaking his neck not to say directly. Let's not stoop to using religion to justify ownership. Jesus spoke of poverty as wealth, of sharing, of enabling the weak and the downtrodden. Not of consolidating one's material gains. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-27-2011, 10:19 PM	#8
massons Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 383 Senior Member	Who owns you? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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ëàìèíàò Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	God. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-27-2011, 11:49 PM	#10
tousuarshatly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	That's interesting. But somehow I doubt if the Commandments were intended to empower corporate profligacy, which is what Adams is breaking his neck not to say directly. Let's not stoop to using religion to justify ownership. Jesus spoke of poverty as wealth, of sharing, of enabling the weak and the downtrodden. Not of consolidating one's material gains. Well, I doubt it, since corporations as perpetual public enterprise did not exist at the time.... Weren't you aware? Publicly traded perpetual corporations were birthed in the second half of the 19th century... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-27-2011, 11:55 PM	#11
h0ldem Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 645 Senior Member	God. Certainly God wants the poor to be fed, clothed, housed, etc... Free market capitalism has been the greatest expeditor of this... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-28-2011, 12:10 AM	#12
yharmon6614 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	YOU MUST FIRST CREATE/ACQUIRE WEALTH BEFORE YOU ARE ABLE TO SHARE WEALTH. CHRIST DID NOT ADVOCATE PLUNDER. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-28-2011, 12:12 AM	#13
Franchise Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	I AM PART OWNER OF EXXON MOBILE. I AM FREE TO ORGANIZE A GROUP OF CAPITAL HOLDERS TO ACQUIRE A CONTROLLING INTEREST IN EXXON MOBIL... UNLESS THE GOVERNMEWNT SAYS OTHERWISE. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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h4z1XBI7 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 554 Senior Member	I AM PART OWNER OF EXXON MOBILE. YOU BLOODY FOOKIN FAT CAT!!!!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-28-2011, 12:25 AM	#16
gundas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 488 Senior Member	Er, sorry, but I think it's Mobil... No "E"... I expect more from an owner... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-28-2011, 12:31 AM	#17
rouletteroulette Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	Well, I doubt it, since corporations as perpetual public enterprise did not exist at the time.... Weren't you aware? Publicly traded perpetual corporations were birthed in the second half of the 19th century... That's really not the point. Christ's lessons were never intended to be applicable to business. They were lessons of attitude and personal conduct. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Bvghbopz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 528 Senior Member	@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ IT'S WHATEVER THE FUCK I SAY IT IS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S MAGNOLIA. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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bapimporb Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 532 Senior Member	Well, why didn't you say so in the first place? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-28-2011, 12:37 AM	#20
Maphpseurse Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 452 Senior Member	IT'S WHATEVER THE FUCK I SAY IT IS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S MAGNOLIA. [/SIZE] You tyrant!!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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