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Old 08-10-2011, 03:39 AM   #1
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Default NRO: A Tottering Technocracy
The financial meltdown here and in Europe revealed symptoms of the technocracy’s waning. On this side of the Atlantic, Geithner, Orszag, Summers, Austan Goolsbee, Paul Krugman, and Christina Romer apparently assumed that some academic cachet, an award bestowed by like kind, or a long-ago-granted degree should give them credibility to advocate what the tire-store owner, family dentist, or apple farmer knew from hard experience simply could not be done — borrow or print money on the theory that insular experts, without much experience in the world beyond the academy or the New York–Washington financial and government corridor, could best direct it to productive purposes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-davis-hanson#

Good article by victor Davis Hansen.. who writes many good articles.

Most every problem we have, from the rioting black leisure class to the financial meltdown, can be traced back to an elite class that see themselves as completely qualified to implement peer reviewed, technocratic solutions from DC and to choose societies winners and losers.

If this is the best the credentialed elite can do, then why do we need any of these people?
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:36 AM   #2
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There is 'educated'.

There is 'credentialed'.

One doesn't guarantee the other.

"academics"........lulz
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Old 08-10-2011, 04:38 AM   #3
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The financial meltdown here and in Europe revealed symptoms of the technocracy’s waning. On this side of the Atlantic, Geithner, Orszag, Summers, Austan Goolsbee, Paul Krugman, and Christina Romer apparently assumed that some academic cachet, an award bestowed by like kind, or a long-ago-granted degree should give them credibility to advocate what the tire-store owner, family dentist, or apple farmer knew from hard experience simply could not be done — borrow or print money on the theory that insular experts, without much experience in the world beyond the academy or the New York–Washington financial and government corridor, could best direct it to productive purposes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-davis-hanson#

Good article by victor Davis Hansen.. who writes many good articles.

Most every problem we have, from the rioting black leisure class to the financial meltdown, can be traced back to an elite class that see themselves as completely qualified to implement peer reviewed, technocratic solutions from DC and to choose societies winners and losers.

If this is the best the credentialed elite can do, then why do we need any of these people?
Who would you suggest we turn to ?
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:24 AM   #4
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There is 'educated'.

There is 'credentialed'.

One doesn't guarantee the other.

"academics"........lulz
lulz..

Reagan didn't go to Haaaaaaaaaaaaarvard.. He went to Eureka College, and still ran rings around these people.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:29 AM   #5
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Who would you suggest we turn to ?
Note the way this question (Which is really a statement in drag. It is merely masquerading as a question.) assumes that we must seek a philosopher king.

We don't need to do that at all.. What we should do is return to first principles..

The Federal Government should be small, and Constitutionally restrained. Then, instead of being lorded over by a cache of credentialed, technocratic sub-geniuses in DC.. We'll have 50 laboratories to study.

The people of the states can look and decide for themselves what works and what does not.. We don't need to these gilded fools in DC as much as they seem to think we do.. All we need is democracy.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:36 AM   #6
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that's a whole lot of change. thats a dream. there are too many stupid assed americans voting for all the wrong things.
any government worker will not agree to make government smaller. they could miss out on something for them.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:38 AM   #7
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there are too many stupid assed americans voting for all the wrong things. And they should be bale to get most of them at the State level.. Along with the consequences..
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:44 AM   #8
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Note the way this question (Which is really a statement in drag. It is merely masquerading as a question.) assumes that we must seek a philosopher king.

We don't need to do that at all.. What we should do is return to first principles..

The Federal Government should be small, and Constitutionally restrained. Then, instead of being lorded over by a cache of credentialed, technocratic sub-geniuses in DC.. We'll have 50 laboratories to study.

The people of the states can look and decide for themselves what works and what does not.. We don't need to these gilded fools in DC as much as they seem to think we do.. All we need is democracy.
My question had nothing to do with Government, but sice you mention it, we tried letting States decide for themselves what works and what does not, and it failed miserably.

My point was..Smart is always better then NOT smart...it's just the way the universe works. Always better to leave the tough questions to smart folks, even if you personally dislike them
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:46 AM   #9
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My question had nothing to dom with Government, but sice you mention it, we tried letting decide for themselves what works and what does not, and it failed miserably.
lol.. Those are the principles behind the most successful political experiment in world history.

If that's "failing miserably" then give me more of it.

My point was..Smart is always better then NOT smart...it's just the way the universe works Also Smart is always better than insular and credentialed.. and not smart.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:48 AM   #10
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My question had nothing to do with Government, but sice you mention it, we tried letting States decide for themselves what works and what does not, and it failed miserably.

My point was..Smart is always better then NOT smart...it's just the way the universe works. Always better to leave the tough questions to smart folks, even if you personally dislike them
You know the old hypothetical….”If you were on a desert island, who would you rather have with you, the handyman or the scientist ?”

Give me the scientist, EVERY time.

I can teach a scientist to build shelter, but I can’t teach a handyman to desalinize salt water
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:49 AM   #11
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lol.. Those are the principles behind the most successful political experiment in world history.

If that's "failing miserably" then give me more of it.



Also Smart is always better than insular and credentialed.. and not smart.
"States rights" brought us a civil war and federal troops escorting 6th graders to school to keep them from being lynched...a patent failure
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:51 AM   #12
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You know the old hypothetical….”If you wee on a desert island, who would you rather have with you, the handyman or the scientist ?”

Give me the scientist, EVERY time.
That's nice dear.. Ya know, I think I'd rather have the ship builder.

I can teach a scientist to build shelter, but I can’t teach a handyman to desalinize salt water Yes, this is the sort of rationale technocrats use to justify dictating the terms of people's lives..

And the reality is that we are collectively smarter and know much more what is on our own interest than any DC technocrat.. Who, if they were trapped on your hypothetical island, would undboubtedly destroy it as quickly as they have our culture, economy, etc.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:53 AM   #13
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"States rights" brought us a civil war and federal troops escorting 6th graders to school to keep them from being lynched...a patent failure
That's your argument for DC technocrats? We'll have "civil war"

Look around.. Another is brewing.

Further, the violation of States Rights for money caused the war.. Not the rights themselves.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:53 AM   #14
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LIBERTY.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:55 AM   #15
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That's nice dear.. Ya know, I think I'd rather have the ship builder.

Touché, but that was not an option



Yes, this is the sort of rationale technocrats use to justify dictating the terms of people's lives..

And the reality is that we are collectively smarter and know much more what is on our own interest than any DC technocrat.. Who, if they were trapped on your hypothetical island, would undboubtedly destroy it as quickly as they have our culture, economy, etc.
It's not just rationale, it's reality.

The guy who makes keys at the hardware store might be "wise" in his own way, but I don't want him making public policy
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:57 AM   #16
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That's your argument for DC technocrats? We'll have "civil war"

Look around.. Another is brewing.

Further, the violation of States Rights for money caused the war.. Not the rights themselves.
Oh make NO mistake....the civil war was VERY much started and waged for the sake of States "rights' which were never actually enumerated to begin with...

The 9th and 10th amendment did not trump the Supremacy clause..never did,,,but I digress
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:57 AM   #17
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A HANDYMAN ALREADY KNOWS, SAARA, AND YOU ARE TOO

GOD-DAMNED STUPID..... AND STUCK-UP..... TO EVER LEARN.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:58 AM   #18
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A SCIENTIST WOULD GET IN EVERYONE ELSE'S WAY.


THE PRACTICAL MAN OR WOMAN WOULD BE THE RIGHT CHOICE.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:59 AM   #19
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Oh make NO mistake....the civil war was VERY much started and waged for the sake of States "rights' which were never actually enumerated to begin with...

The 9th and 10th amendment did not trump the Supremacy clause..never did,,,but I digress
The war was started by greedy, jealous Northerners tromping states rights.. The exact same situation that's happening now.

Deciding that you're smarter than the founders, as well as your neighbors and even God himself, is a hallmark of the technocrat.
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Old 08-10-2011, 06:01 AM   #20
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GAIA HELP ANYONE STUCK ON AN ISLAND

WITH A GOD-DAMNED ECONOMIST...ESPECIALLY A

COCK-GOBBLING KEYNESIAN FUCKWAD!!





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