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**Yarmark** · 12-03-2010, 04:47 AM

Feds tracking credit cards, store purchases without warrant: report

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/f...thout-warrant/

Federal law enforcement routinely tracks individuals through their credit cards, cell phones, car rentals and even store customer loyalty programs without obtaining a warrant, an online privacy activist has discovered.

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No court reviews these orders, and the only role courts play in the process is to issue a non-disclosure order to the retailer or credit card company involved, meaning the person being tracked will never be notified of the surveillance.

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What's the problem with getting a Warrant?

This is like the FISA case. Even a totally compliant, rubber stamp wasn't isn't good enough for the Bush administration. They had to have that Gestapo power... Just walk in and DEMAND the info. Anyone who complained was called a traitor and an enemy of America. The FISA court even allowed them to SPY FIRST, and come for a Warrant LATER. And that STILL wasn't enough power.

We warned at the time that this power wouldn't die with the Bush Administration.. Or even the GWOT itself.. That it would remain forever. Always ripe for abuse.

Now Obama has it.. President Hillary may get it too in 2012.

In spite of having this authority, we've seen more acts of terror.. It hasn't helped in any noticeable way. It's just another small lurch towards authoritarianism.

**SallythePearl** · 12-04-2010, 08:29 PM

I have long suspected this was occuring, its just to easy not to !
Even, in house store discount cards probably are not "secure" anymore.

Best to just use cash for some things, of course some stuff you have to give an ID for anyway.

**Jannet.K** · 12-04-2010, 08:54 PM

The left complained bitterly when this was happening during the Bush administration but I doubt we'll hear a peep out of them since it's their guy doing it now. It's just further proof that the most vocal opponents of government power don't really care about our rights and liberties when they express their phony outrage. Like most political ideologues, they only care that their people and their agenda stays on top.

**mashabox** · 12-04-2010, 11:41 PM

CASH.

FUCK 'EM.

GOD DAMN "SOCIAL SECURITY".

GOD DAMN THE INCOME TAX.

**siflversonemunk** · 12-06-2010, 11:46 PM

I use a check or cash, mostly cash. I have a debit card for emergencies. Am I paranoid......I'm getting there with this bunch in control.

12-03-2010, 04:47 AM	#1
Yarmark Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 656 Senior Member	Feds tracking credit cards, store purchases without warrant: report Feds tracking credit cards, store purchases without warrant: report http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/f...thout-warrant/ Federal law enforcement routinely tracks individuals through their credit cards, cell phones, car rentals and even store customer loyalty programs without obtaining a warrant, an online privacy activist has discovered. ... No court reviews these orders, and the only role courts play in the process is to issue a non-disclosure order to the retailer or credit card company involved, meaning the person being tracked will never be notified of the surveillance. __________________________________________________ ___________ What's the problem with getting a Warrant? This is like the FISA case. Even a totally compliant, rubber stamp wasn't isn't good enough for the Bush administration. They had to have that Gestapo power... Just walk in and DEMAND the info. Anyone who complained was called a traitor and an enemy of America. The FISA court even allowed them to SPY FIRST, and come for a Warrant LATER. And that STILL wasn't enough power. We warned at the time that this power wouldn't die with the Bush Administration.. Or even the GWOT itself.. That it would remain forever. Always ripe for abuse. Now Obama has it.. President Hillary may get it too in 2012. In spite of having this authority, we've seen more acts of terror.. It hasn't helped in any noticeable way. It's just another small lurch towards authoritarianism. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-04-2010, 08:29 PM	#2
SallythePearl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	I have long suspected this was occuring, its just to easy not to ! Even, in house store discount cards probably are not "secure" anymore. Best to just use cash for some things, of course some stuff you have to give an ID for anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-04-2010, 08:54 PM	#3
Jannet.K Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 517 Senior Member	The left complained bitterly when this was happening during the Bush administration but I doubt we'll hear a peep out of them since it's their guy doing it now. It's just further proof that the most vocal opponents of government power don't really care about our rights and liberties when they express their phony outrage. Like most political ideologues, they only care that their people and their agenda stays on top. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-04-2010, 11:41 PM	#4
mashabox Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 623 Senior Member	CASH. FUCK 'EM. GOD DAMN "SOCIAL SECURITY". GOD DAMN THE INCOME TAX. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-06-2010, 11:46 PM	#5
siflversonemunk Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 519 Senior Member	I use a check or cash, mostly cash. I have a debit card for emergencies. Am I paranoid......I'm getting there with this bunch in control. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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