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11-26-2010, 02:42 AM | #4 |
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Factories? Capital? What? What's this "Means of production" they want? I mean, if you want the REAL MEANS of production.. It's assets and credit. These things make the factory appear in the first place.. |
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11-26-2010, 02:49 AM | #5 |
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11-26-2010, 03:36 AM | #6 |
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and in any type of collectivist society, there is no will to produce, but to force production." That's a good point, though. The "Means of production" must include laborers. Somebody has to do the work. I would really like to get a leftist to explain this to me.. What they want and how it's supposed to work. I'm sure it's a laugh fest.. If they would only stop dealing in glib sounding outcomes and address the mechanics behind it. |
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11-26-2010, 03:43 AM | #7 |
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Wikipedia says this:
Means of production refers to physical, non-human inputs used in production—the factories, machines, and tools used to produce wealth[1] -- along with both infrastructural capital and natural capital. This includes the classical factors of production minus financial capital and minus human capital. They include two broad categories of objects: instruments of labour (tools, factories, infrastructure, etc.) and subjects of labour (natural resources and raw materials). People operate on the subjects of labour, using the instruments of labour, to create a product; or, stated another way, labour acting on the means of production creates a product.[2] When used in the broad sense, the "means of production" includes the "means of distribution" which includes stores, banks, and railroads.[3] The term can be simply and picturesquely described in an agrarian society as the soil and the shovel; in an industrial society, the mines and the factories. The way they explain it, it's just fucking EVERYTHING. Whatever they want! From the iron ore, to the smelter.. To the factory, the tools for the factory, the ROAD TO the factory and the store at the end of the road FROM the factory. Well, what the hell? toss in a couple of assholes with guns and you've got Soviet frekkin' Russia already. I really wish a lib would lay out the case for this and explain how it's supposed to work for the benefit of all. I bet it's hysterical.. "Okay.. Now first, you give me all your shit..To share, you understand. It's now sort of OUR shit.. and then he gives me/us all HIS shit.. and those people over there, they give me/us THEIR SHIT. So, since I've we've got all the shit, I/we/thecollective do.... " WHAT? |
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11-26-2010, 03:44 AM | #8 |
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11-26-2010, 03:45 AM | #9 |
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11-26-2010, 03:49 AM | #10 |
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