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Old 11-19-2010, 07:47 PM   #1
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Default "The means of production"
We've all heard about it.. WHAT IS IT?

In words, please tell me what this is and how it would be distributed to, and administered by "The people" for the betterment of all?
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Old 11-19-2010, 07:48 PM   #2
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I mean, if you want to break this down.. Those means begin with capital.

Capital brings a factory (for example) into being.

So... WTF does this mean exactly?
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:40 AM   #3
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IT'S PRETTY HARD TO STEAL AN ENTIRE COUNTRY'S WEALTH UNLESS YOU CAN TALK THE INHABITANTS INTO TURNING IT OVER TO YOU.
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:42 AM   #4
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IT'S PRETTY HARD TO STEAL AN ENTIRE COUNTRY'S WEALTH UNLESS YOU CAN TALK THE INHABITANTS INTO TURNING IT OVER TO YOU.
Well that's a problem because I don't even know what they want turned over...

Factories? Capital? What?

What's this "Means of production" they want?

I mean, if you want the REAL MEANS of production.. It's assets and credit.

These things make the factory appear in the first place..
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Old 11-26-2010, 02:49 AM   #5
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"The real 'means of production' is the will of the people to produce goods, and in any type of collectivist society, there is no will to produce, but to force production."
[The Man Myth Legend, 2010)
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:36 AM   #6
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and in any type of collectivist society, there is no will to produce, but to force production."
[The Man Myth Legend, 2010)
They say it's all supposed to be voluntary and wonderfully fuzzy for everybody and shit.. I kind of doubt that.

That's a good point, though. The "Means of production" must include laborers.

Somebody has to do the work.

I would really like to get a leftist to explain this to me.. What they want and how it's supposed to work.

I'm sure it's a laugh fest.. If they would only stop dealing in glib sounding outcomes and address the mechanics behind it.
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:43 AM   #7
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Wikipedia says this:

Means of production refers to physical, non-human inputs used in production—the factories, machines, and tools used to produce wealth[1] -- along with both infrastructural capital and natural capital. This includes the classical factors of production minus financial capital and minus human capital. They include two broad categories of objects: instruments of labour (tools, factories, infrastructure, etc.) and subjects of labour (natural resources and raw materials). People operate on the subjects of labour, using the instruments of labour, to create a product; or, stated another way, labour acting on the means of production creates a product.[2] When used in the broad sense, the "means of production" includes the "means of distribution" which includes stores, banks, and railroads.[3]

The term can be simply and picturesquely described in an agrarian society as the soil and the shovel; in an industrial society, the mines and the factories. The way they explain it, it's just fucking EVERYTHING. Whatever they want! From the iron ore, to the smelter.. To the factory, the tools for the factory, the ROAD TO the factory and the store at the end of the road FROM the factory.

Well, what the hell? toss in a couple of assholes with guns and you've got Soviet frekkin' Russia already.

I really wish a lib would lay out the case for this and explain how it's supposed to work for the benefit of all.

I bet it's hysterical..

"Okay.. Now first, you give me all your shit..To share, you understand. It's now sort of OUR shit.. and then he gives me/us all HIS shit.. and those people over there, they give me/us THEIR SHIT. So, since I've we've got all the shit, I/we/thecollective do.... "


WHAT?
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:44 AM   #8
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And how is the outcome BETTER now that some technocrat has all my shit?
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:45 AM   #9
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Do they even KNOW?

What's the plan here.. Aside from getting between everybody and their shit?
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Old 11-26-2010, 03:49 AM   #10
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Even better.. We should get them an island or something to try this on.

I'd love to see what happens.
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