[nitivearchit]

They have better human resources

[blackjackblax]

[QUOTE]

Is that suppose to be a bad thing? You have to take care of your own. I'm sure the is some Slavic nepotism.

Of course, a few examples of Slavic nepotism: Katyn massacre, famine in Ukraine, Wolyn, Second world war and communist opression.

Is it a good or bad thing? Its different in categories of morality, here we talked in the context of productivity/ wealth. From the point of view of the ones who are taken care of, its a god system, for the rest- not really


Honestly I have no idea what Poland is like Kwestos. I am curious. Is Poland doing well? It doesn't seem like a bad place.

Who cares who is first or fifth or twentieth if your people are doing just fine? I dont judge people by the size of their wallet, but for many people it is an important factor.

I dont know much about Poland now, I will know maybe soon as I am moving for some time there, some say its quite good, some complain a lot, I dont know, the last time I lived there i didnt like the system.
Its not a bad place overall though, if I survived there for so long haha Just an average country, nothing spectacular, neither this positive nor negative way (apart from the fact that it produces extremely friendly, nice people )

[Keeriewof]

A more significant correlation is the fact that all these countries are Protestant.

[LeviBrawn]

A more significant correlation is the fact that all these countries are Protestant.

That's true. The Germanic speaking catholic countries are further down than the protestant ones.

[iioijjjkkojhbb]

I still believe in the Northern Sea. It must have some vibe.

Maybe there are some minerals in the water or the air which make people more productive?

[Wetekemieluth]

I think that large part of this ranking is nonsense. Remembering heated discussions with Finns about the environment which revealed huge disrepancies between perceptions and reality I took a peek at the Environment variable.

Here United Kingdom which - as far as I recall - don't have any environment because it has been cut down long time ago ranks 2nd and Estonia which consists mostly of environment is 27th.

It looks like bullshit to me.

In Estonia the level of air pollution is 13 micrograms (4th place) while UK its 6th (also with 13 micrograms). Fine.

But:

In the United Kingdom, 97% of people say they are satisfied with water quality. This score is much higher than the OECD average of 85% and suggests the United Kingdom has been successful in providing good quality water to its inhabitants. while

70% of people say they are satisfied with water quality. This score is much lower than the OECD average of 85% and suggests Estonia still faces difficulties in providing good quality water to its inhabitants. Maybe simply British people are not very fastidious in contrast to Estonians and are happy to drink anything they find pouring from their taps?

Besides there are water shortages in the UK.

How can British people say they are satisfied with the quality of the water they don't have?

Besides I see Gender Inequality and Social Inequality in the Environment cathegories. As far as Social Inequality is concerned UK is ranks 1st. What does it mean? That all classes - working class underdogs and fox hunting lords - have equal access to running water of good quality? Amasing!

Poland ranks 34/35 as far as Social Inequality in the Water quality cathegory. What could it possibly mean? Poland is also 25th as far as Gernder Inequality shown in the Water quality cathegory? So does it means that some genders in Poland have better access to good quality water than other?

So all in all it looks to me as some PC crap.

[Senasivar]

Even if you take away the "environment" component using the slider, it doesn't change the ranking by much.

[DrCeshing]

I think that large part of this ranking is nonsense. Remembering heated discussions with Finns about the environment which revealed huge disrepancies between perceptions and reality I took a peek at the Environment variable.

Here United Kingdom which - as far as I recall - don't have any environment because it has been cut down long time ago ranks 2nd and Estonia which consists mostly of environment is 27th.
It looks like bullshit to me.
In Estonia the level of air pollution is 13 micrograms (4th place) while UK its 6th (also with 13 micrograms). Fine.
But:
while
Maybe simply British people are not very fastidious in contrast to Estonians and are happy to drink anything they find pouring from their taps? Besides there are water shortages in the UK.

How can British people say they are satisfied with the quality of the water they don't have?

Besides I see Gender Inequality and Social Inequality in the Environment cathegories. As far as Social Inequality is concerned UK is ranks 1st. What does it mean? That all classes - working class underdogs and fox hunting lords - have equal access to running water of good quality? Amasing!

Ok, these are interesting remarks. But maybe a good portion of this boils down to is the awareness of the environment? Estonians may take their rather untamed and abundant wildlife as granted while Britons see their cornered wildlife as something that needs to be protected and engagement is at a different level? Laws are passed, agricultural sector receives improvements e.t.c.

Poland ranks 34/35 as far as Social Inequality in the Water quality cathegory. What could it possibly mean? Poland is also 25th as far as Gernder Inequality shown in the Water quality cathegory? So does it means that some genders in Poland have better access to good quality water than other?

So all in all it looks to me as some PC crap. If it was PC then Bolivia and Bulgaria would be higher up the list. I think a realistic reason is the fact that protestantism enabled a rather relaxed atmosphere where liberal and progressive ideas flourished but also where high work morale was valued.

[bestformaldress23]

A more significant correlation is the fact that all these countries are Protestant.

The Catholic landers of Germany are richer than Protestants. Austria also is Catholic.

[sadgpokx]

A more significant correlation is the fact that all these countries are Protestant.

All? In Germany, Belgium, Holland, Ireland, Austria is a Catholic majority (not including atheists)

[enteltcheft]

Wojewoda, you are a gopnick who cant accept his racial inferiority. You are a Slav, you are less capable.


ps I noticed another incredible corelation, nearly universal-not being a part of Soviet block, not being a neighbour of Soviet Union and as a bonus, Nazi Germany, may it have any importance? Who knows. Maybe its because of real- communism- however, I think communisim may be a good system, its not the system fault, its people, inferior non-germanic race in particular.

[Thorwaywhobia]

Wojewoda, you are a gopnick who cant accept his racial inferiority. You are a Slav, you are less capable.


ps I noticed another incredible corelation, nearly universal-not being a part of Soviet block, not being a neighbour of Soviet Union and as a bonus, Nazi Germany, may it have any importance? Who knows. Maybe its because of real- communism- however, I think communisim may be a good system, its not the system fault, its people, inferior non-germanic race in particular.

If I remember well this was the Mary thesis about the USSR fall

[Suentiend]

possibly, its becaue of matriarchy probably ,if you wanna be rich, you need to be a proper patriarch, for instance knock off your wifes' teeth a few times. Sorry, you can do it only once, the second town you knock off dentures (unless you include minors and knock off milk teeth first for disobeyance)

[eskimosik]

Even if you take away the "environment" component using the slider, it doesn't change the ranking by much.

But there is "gender inequality" and "social inequality" element in all cathegories. And half of it is based on subjective surveys of opinions. So half of the ranking probably measures the level of hypocrysy in these societies.


Plus - for me and maybe many others - the weather is one of the important determinants of the quality of life. I don't see this in the ranking. If I were to chose to live in Italy or Sweden I woudn't hesitate for a second because of the weather factor (but maybe I am weird).

[ViaxobbimeVar]

But there is "gender inequality" and "social inequality" element in all cathegories. And half of it is based on subjective surveys of opinions. So half of the ranking probably measures the level of hipocrysy in given societies.

Just a suggestion, maybe people should stop denying that some countries have a better standard of living and getting annoyed about it and then learn something from how those countries have achieved that success.

Remember Britain isn't all that close to the top and we could learn a thing or two as well.

[cymnPrayerm]

I always wonder what it is all about, people throw some theories in the air, like 'germanic are better' and nothing follows it. Normally, you diagnose something to propose some solutions, but here there is some diagnosis but nothing is proposed.
Its not personal to the thread author, but general conclusion about threads like this. 'Nordics are prettiers' ,whites are brigthter' .germanic are wealthier'- ok, whatever, what are the consequences and proposals?

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Just a suggestion, maybe people should stop denying that some countries have a better standard of living and getting annoyed about it and then learn something from how those countries have achieved that success.

Remember Britain isn't all that close to the top and we could learn a thing or two as well.

Great, the point of the thread is not 'some countries are richer and poorer should follow or could learn' which is pretty understandable, but 'germanics are wealthier'. Can non-germanic 'take an example' and learn and start speaking german language?

I have a real problem with accepting neutrality of those kinds of question, I tend to think they imply something, however I dont know what- cause its never told. I always assume 'you wanna be a racist' and then people say 'no, i am just saying' but never say why they say and what they aim.

[Paybeskf]

I always wonder what it is all about, people throw some theories in the air, like 'germanic are better' and nothing follows it. Normally, you diagnose something to propose some solutions, but here there is some diagnosis but nothing is proposed.
Its not personal to the thread author, but general conclusion about threads like this. 'Nordics are prettiers' ,whites are brigthter' .germanic are wealthier'- ok, whatever, what are the consequences and proposals?

To be fair I was expecting people to test out the tool and find some other interesting conclusions.
For example if you just look at, I think, work life balance, Spain is almost top.

[Les Allen]

To be fair I was expecting people to test out the tool and find some other interesting conclusions.
For example if you just look at, I think, work life balance, Spain is almost top.

Ok, but the thread title is 'Germanic dominance'. It is some kind of hypothesis I assume.

There is no reason to be annoyed but the very fact that you come from a poor or poorer country. It may be inconvenient or hard, but not a reason to be ashamed- its only when people start implying 'there must be something wrong with them all' yoy take this route. You dont expect anyone to say 'yes i am inferior'??? And you dont expect people to have logic like Mary troll, that her ethinc group is inferior but she is a miracolous exception?

[Wgnhqhlg]

Wojewoda, you are a gopnick (...)

I don't know what a gopnick is - something bad I suppose and something Russian - but at least I don't kill baby-dolphins.

Denmark scores 5th in this ranking as far as Enviroment is concerned and here Dannish mobs versus their environement.

























But I must admit they have some nice environment to kill.

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Just a suggestion, maybe people should stop denying that some countries have a better standard of living and getting annoyed about it and then learn something from how those countries have achieved that success.

Remember Britain isn't all that close to the top and we could learn a thing or two as well.

I have thought that you can't learn to be Germanic, I have thought that one must be born Germanic.

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I think a realistic reason is the fact that protestantism enabled a rather relaxed atmosphere where liberal and progressive ideas flourished but also where high work morale was valued.

It is interesting that all Germanic nations can be found in the right-top corner of these maps based on the World Values Survey:


1999-2004:




2005-2008:

[DagoIgnog]

yes, modern protestant societies re the most secular and atheistic now, but 150 years ago they were the most religious ones. Catholicism has never been so radical and so important in everyday life of catholics than protestantism was in theirs. In catholicism, it was about rituals, believing in miracles and a lot of figures and painitngs of Jesus and virgin Mary. In protestantism, it was waking up 6 am to the glory of Jesus, praying, working, praying, and going to church to pray in free time.

Thats how it was, model protestant societies were very strict, maybe thats why they developed ethos of work, however I dont know whether it is universal, for instance in England ethos of work is different and doesnt remind protestant one, but anglicanism is different, but Scots apparently are very hard-working and strict, typical protestants (however, I have no clue how it goes along with their cosmic drinking level, maybe drinking at the job wasnt a problem back then)