[Goksiodiffeli]

Who is white for your own opinion and for the opinion where you live ?

Do you thinks southern euopean and balkans peoples are white ?

Do you agree with white classification in USA , Brazil, Argentine.... ?

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[shumozar]

Euro : Northern + Central + Eastern + Southern, and some Middle Easterns. I do not consider gypsies white though.

[Redys]

Euro : Northern + Central + Eastern + Southern, and some Middle Easterns. I do not consider gypsies white though.

This.

As far as I know, nobody considers Gypsies white.

[StivRichardOff]

White? only americans are white, i've never used this label.

[glazgoR@]

I consider all Europeans, people of the caucasus, Jews, and some middle easterners white. I dont consider gypsies white though.

[Unlopssesuj]

White? only americans are white, i've never used this label.

That's what I thought as well... But what do non-Americans use instead?

[97dYA9L3]

I only consider people of Nordid or Faelid phenotypes to be white.

In the 1900s Sweden, only people with phenotypes who could pass for Swedish, spoke "real Swedish" dialects and had a Swedish name were considered "truly white". Both Finns and Scanians could be quite badly spoken of. I remember that Selma Lagerlöf, a big writer at the time, once said that she had Finnish ancestry and "were sorry for it". She is also supposed to have said some bad things about "introverted Scanians" or something like that. She and Ellen Key, another writer, supported the "Racial Institute" of Uppsala, that did a lot of Finn- and Walloon-bashing (to a little extent, they also actually bashed the Danes). Other than this, they of course also had the opinion that people with dark hair were more prone to commit crimes.

Nowadays, Swedes and immigrants with phenotypes who could pass for Swedish are "white". I have heard rumours about that in the 1960s or 1970s, some restaurants were supposed to have had signs saying something like "Greeks and Turks do not need to bother", so I guess it's quite obvious that some, if not many, Southern Europeans are generally not considered white. Not so long ago, I experienced an Italian guy getting called "that immigrant" ("immigrant" means "non-white") by a Swede.

[CxofxJFm]

That's what I thought as well... But what do non-Americans use instead?

Our nationalities.

[Blotassefesek]

White = a phenotype to me, for the most part.... but typically associate it with WASPs. All other Euros are just "white by default"; similar to the way I see mulattoes/black-admixed people as being "black by default."

For example, most people I know don't call Italians and Greeks "white people"... we just call em what they are (Italian/Greek).

[Sliliashdes]

A friend of mine taught me the 3 second test. He said, if you look at someone for 3 seconds and aren't sure they're White then they probably aren't.

Firstly, White is an unimportant classification when dealing with places in eastern Europe as there are very few non-Europeans. It applies most to American matters.

It has to be done on a personal level, I'd have to see the person to know.

[paydayloanfasters]

My personal perception is that Northern Euros, Central Euros, and Eastern Euros are white. Southern Euros are close to being white, but not quite white enough for me to group them in my mind with Northern Euros and the like.

The area in which I live holds a similar view as well. Northern, eastern and central euros are considered white with little suspicion. Anyone with dark skin and hair who isn't descended in some way from Africans, is considered "some kind of mexican" until informed otherwise. Southern Euros are usually described by their country of origin rather than just "white". Also alot of people in my area believe that Spaniards look like Mexicans.

[mnhloot]

I only consider people of Nordid or Faelid phenotypes to be white.

In the 1900s Sweden, only people with phenotypes who could pass for Swedish, spoke "real Swedish" dialects and had a Swedish name were considered "truly white". Both Finns and Scanians could be quite badly spoken of. I remember that Selma Lagerlöf, a big writer at the time, once said that she had Finnish ancestry and "were sorry for it". She is also supposed to have said some bad things about "introverted Scanians" or something like that. She and Ellen Key, another writer, supported the "Racial Institute" of Uppsala, that did a lot of Finn- and Walloon-bashing (to a little extent, they also actually bashed the Danes). Other than this, they of course also had the opinion that people with dark hair were more prone to commit crimes.

Nowadays, Swedes and immigrants with phenotypes who could pass for Swedish are "white". I have heard rumours about that in the 1960s or 1970s, some restaurants were supposed to have had signs saying something like "Greeks and Turks do not need to bother", so I guess it's quite obvious that some, if not many, Southern Europeans are generally not considered white. Not so long ago, I experienced an Italian guy getting called "that immigrant" ("immigrant" means "non-white") by a Swede.

so would jhon ausonius aka "lasermannen" not be considered "truly white" in sweden?

[appabessy]

so would jhon ausonius aka "lasermannen" not be considered "truly white" in sweden?

He killed (other) immigrants because he had a complex caused by his dark complexion. To make up for this complexion, he used blue contact linses and coloured his hair blond (sometimes red).

So the answer is no, I guess.

[Goodwin]

He killed (other) immigrants because he had a complex caused by his dark complexion. To make up for this complexion, he used blue contact linses and coloured his hair blond (sometimes red).

So the answer is no, I guess.

that was back in early 90s where the foreign origin population was way smaller than it is in the present. Nowadays with the influx of africans and arabs would have it produced changes in the perspective that a central european looking dude with dark hair and eyes could make it to be considered true white in sweden?

[Veveseinlep]

This is my default map of what in the American sense would be considered a typical white person's most probable countries of origin and they wouldnt be questioned. If they're from one of the highlighted countries and they dont look typical they probably have recent ancestry from non-highlighted countries

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?c...hf=bg,s,0000FF

[perpelverw]

This is my default map of what in the American sense would be considered a typical white person's most probable countries of origin and they wouldnt be questioned. If they're from one of the highlighted countries and they dont look typical they probably have recent ancestry from non-highlighted countries

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?c...hf=bg,s,0000FF

italians are often grouped with greeks in the US, with stereotypes such as macho, dark, hairy, flirty and loud.

[Automobill]

italians are often grouped with greeks in the US, with stereotypes such as macho, dark, hairy, flirty and loud.

Thats fine. So those "italians" would be the atypical people from highlighted countries that i mentioned who probably have ancestry from non-highlighted countries (in this case Greece). Do you understand the map now?

[Keyblctt]

that was back in early 90s where the foreign origin population was way smaller than it is in the present. Nowadays with the influx of africans and arabs would have it produced changes in the perspective that a central european looking dude with dark hair and eyes could make it to be considered true white in sweden?

The foreign population wasn't way smaller back then than it is now. It was smaller, but not way smaller. There was lots of Iranians and Chileans for example living in Sweden then. The infamous Rinkeby existed as well, and had the exact same reputation as it does today.

Like I said:

Not so long ago, I experienced an Italian guy getting called "that immigrant" ("immigrant" means "non-white") by a Swede.

That Italian guy wasn't darker than Ausonius. About the same, I'd say.

[CarrieSexy]

The foreign population wasn't way smaller back then than it is now. It was smaller, but not way smaller. There was lots of Iranians and Chileans for example living in Sweden then. The infamous Rinkeby existed as well, and had the exact same reputation as it does today.

Like I said:



That Italian guy wasn't darker than Ausonius. About the same, I'd say.

but im sure his facial features looked more southern anyways, ausonius looks quite central euro, german-swiss or austrian. not italian.

[Hinigyday]

John Ausonius probably looked different from Swedes because his father was from Switzerland and so he might have some s.french ancestry which sometimes look mediteranean cause its right next to Spain. Right debian?