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Old 04-24-2012, 10:18 AM   #1
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Default East vs. West vs. South: Closest to original Slavs?
Which ones are closest to the original Slavs in your opinion? Explain.

West Slavs:
- geographically located "in-between"
- sometimes deemed to be "Germanized"

South Slavs:
- divided from their brothers by Austria and Hungary
- languages Old Church Slavonic seems closest to
- often deemed to be "Slavicized Balkanoids"

East Slavs:
- most numerous
- often deemed "the ultimate"
- rumored to have some Mongoloid admix
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Old 04-24-2012, 10:34 AM   #2
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West Slavs are, because it's proven by science.

The R1a and mtDNA of Eastern Slavs are largely a subset of diversity seen in West Slavs (especially in Poles).

South Slavs do have a lot of early Slavic admixture too, but they have a lot of Balkan ancestry.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:18 AM   #3
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It would be interesting to analyse various factors: culture, language, genetics (Y/mDna and autosomal), phenotypes etc. I know very little about culture of early Slavs, if one had to treat seriously Marys posts it would be Russians who preserved ancient Slavic habits and style, but whether they preserved or not and whether these habits were Slavic at all is another question, considring low credibility of Burqa it may be unlikely.
I think culture of some eastern-central Slavs may be the closest to the traditional Slavic culture, somewhere around Belarus, south-eastern Poland, maybe western Ukraine (Galicia). These areas had less contact with other cultures i think so (due to geography).
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:30 AM   #4
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I think culture of some eastern-central Slavs may be the closest to the traditional Slavic culture, somewhere around Belarus, south-eastern Poland, maybe western Ukraine (Galicia). These areas had less contact with other cultures i think so (due to geography).
Southeastern Poland, as well as Ukrainian Galicia and Volhynia were melting pots. There were lots of Poles there from all over Poland, as well as Germans.

The most culturally isolated were probably Belorussians, as well as nearby Poles and Ukrainians from Polesie.

In terms of genetics, all you need to look at are minority influences. For instance, why is N1c close to zero in most of Poland? If early Slavs carried that marker from the east of Poland, then how did it get bred out so quickly? Same goes for East Slavic type R1a-Z280, and Finnic autosomal components.
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Old 04-24-2012, 11:37 AM   #5
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I just found this map on Wiki quite interesting
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:38 PM   #6
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Belarus/Eastern Poland, Russian borderlands with Belarus around Smolensk and Northern Ukraine are the originals.

Most Czechs (West Slavs) are not how the original Slavs looked.
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Old 04-25-2012, 08:52 PM   #7
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For instance, why is N1c close to zero in most of Poland? If early Slavs carried that marker from the east of Poland, then how did it get bred out so quickly?
Those who stayed behind could have acquired it post-migration?

I'd say Slavic homeland is somewhere around Belarus.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:31 PM   #8
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The question is not about homeland guys, but about which MODERN population resembles the ancient Slavic group(s) most. Juice did not precise what sort of similarity it is about, but we can assume in general, so will Belarusan population closest one? I believe it may be, however modern Belarus was home for some Jews, Tatars and Balts.
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:46 PM   #9
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The question is not about homeland guys, but about which MODERN population resembles the ancient Slavic group(s) most. Juice did not precise what sort of similarity it is about, but we can assume in general, so will Belarusan population closest one? I believe it may be, however modern Belarus was home for some Jews, Tatars and Balts.
Please don't put Tatars and Jews in the same category as Balts when talking about Belarus. Their Balticness comes from ancient times not the Grand Duchy of Lithuania period.



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Old 04-25-2012, 09:51 PM   #10
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Please don't put Tatars and Jews in the same category as Balts when talking about Belarus. Their Balticness comes from ancient times not the Grand Duchy of Lithuania period.
Shut up!

I did not say what period it is from, the context was about 'purity' of modern population. Was it Balts or Jews or whoever, they were not Slavs. I dont know the details but I remember some finnish posters ( I think Lemmi) saying that belarusans are cousins of Finns and all in the line- Fiins, Balts, belarusans- have a lot in common.
Maybe then in this case they are not model Slavic culture, maybe it would be somewhere lower on the map ort maybe such a place does not exist.
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