[EscaCsamas]

That's like saying you have to be nordic to be white. Most Africans are some sort of dark brown, not black as coal.

A European could have "psuedo-negroid" features and they would be considered alpine or whatever ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...n_eu/img/8.jpg ), but if a sub-saharan african doesn't look like this they must be mixed with eurasian:
http://presentmedia.com/drpoverty/pi...oy%20LARGE.jpg

Sub-Saharan africans come in a variety of phenotypes/sub-races, just like europeans..

I'm kind of surprise you haven't been qbq as yet. The picture you posted is not a sub Saharan African, but Haitian. Again what does complexion have to do with it? Oh,I forgot,you seem obsess with complexions. You might be darker than a horn of African or pygmie. Does that make you indigenous to Africa, when your African ancestors lived in the Dominican Republic for two hundred years or more? I doubt it.

[parishilton]

I'm kind of surprise you haven't been qbq as yet. The picture you posted is not a sub Saharan African, but Haitian. Again what does complexion have to do with it? Oh,I forgot,you seem obsess with complexions. You might be darker than a horn of African or pygmie. Does that make you indigenous to Africa, when your African ancestors lived in the Dominican Republic for two hundred years or more? I doubt it.

He has a sub-saharan phenotype and most would see him as the epitome of "pure" blackness based on his phenotype.

The haitian people of today have only been there for 200 years (most haitians during the revolution had just arrived from africa), so I doubt their phenotypes would have been altered much.

[LxtdK9i4]

He has a sub-saharan phenotype and most would see him as the epitome of "pure" blackness based on his phenotype

Didn't you just say Sub Saharan Africans have various phenotypes? What does complexion have to do with it? He is not of any Sub Saharan African/African nationality.

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The haitian people of today have only been there for 200 years (most haitians during the revolution had just arrived from africa), so I doubt their phenotypes would have been altered much.

Two hundred years is not a recent arrival. Again your obessed with phenotypes and complexions. Its ignorance since phenotype hasnt anything to do with nationality. Any phenotype can be found in Sub Saharan Africa. Even yours to Caucasian.

[xtrudood]

Didn't you just say Sub Saharan Africans have various phenotypes? What does complexion have to do with it? He is not of any Sub Saharan African/African nationality.

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Two hundred years is not a recent arrival. Again your obessed with phenotypes and complexions.

All I said was that he is the stereotypical image of a "pure" black person

It's recent enough that they've maintained the phenotypes of their african ancestors, and I never implied that he should identify as african

[NEWyear]

everyone who can tan is potentially black. who can deny this? those who can not are potentially dead.

[UvjqTVVC]

All I said was that he is the stereotypical image of a "pure" black person

It's recent enough that they've maintained the phenotypes of their african ancestors, and I never implied that he should identify as african

They have ?I didn't know they all look the same. Even they descent from various Africans you know? It's long enough to create a separate New world nationality and country.

[barsikjal]

Because the Euros sailed to Sub Saharan Africa before they went to the pacific islands. Black is a subjective term anyways, Caucausus peoples in Russia are called black because they are darker than the average ethnic Russian.

Isn't that down to the hair colour ?

[illilmicy]

They have ?I didn't know they all look the same. Even they descent from various Africans you know? It's long enough to create a separate New world nationality and country.

I'm speaking strictly of phenotype, and this was my original point:

but many think if a sub-saharan african doesn't look like this they must be mixed with eurasian:
http://presentmedia.com/drpoverty/pi...oy%20LARGE.jpg It was a reply to Graeme's post, because he was implying that all "pure" blacks must have one extreme and exaggerated look.

[Bromymbollile]

I'm speaking strictly of phenotype, and this was my original point:



It was a reply to Graeme's post, because he was implying that all "pure" blacks must have one extreme and exaggerated look.

Why use a new world black as an example of Sub Saharan African? Would you use a Afrikaneer as an example of a Native European?

[usacomm]

Why use a new world black as an example of Sub Saharan African? Would you use a Afrikaneer as an example of a Native European?

He phenotypically fits the stereotypical image of a "pure" black person.

[ReggieRed]

That is irrelevant. "Black" means nothing in a intellectual context. Look at the Igbos and look at the Sri Lankan (who is Tamil and not Sinhalese, btw). .

The OP is referring to skin colour not race, I wont repeat it again (read the original post that started this topic). Sri Lankans are literally closer to the colour 'black' whilst Igbos are not, thats what the topic is about, nothing to do with race.

A better term would be Negrid, but in casual speech, the average "Black individual" would be offended, I think.

Just like you seemed offended when the OP referred to South Asians as black?


@Windie
Windie I think Bonaoense was just replying to Graemes ignorant post about South Sudanese being the real Africans because of their pitch black skintone, I pretty much agree with what Bonaoense is tryng to say, 'Their is no steretypical image of a 'black' person because SSA phenotypes and skin tones vary greatly'

[effebrala]

and you think the people who are called Black in your country are the same as Black Africans who also look like Beyonce or Michael Jackson or Lena Horne or Jesse Jackson or Oprah Winfrey or Whoopi Goldberg.

Who does look like Michael Jackson?

A better term would be Negrid, but in casual speech, the average "Black individual" would be offended, I think.

You would get your ass beaten for calling them Negrids.

[intendepods]

I believe bonanese couldve found a Sub Saharan African to make his point. He seems to think phenotype is equal to nationality/ethnicity. The same way he seems to go on about Dominicans looking oneway, or to what suits him. I'm not refering to Greames post.

[BeksTeene]

I believe bonanese couldve found a Sub Saharan African to make his point. He seems to think phenotype is equal to nationality/ethnicity. The same way he seems to go on about Dominicans looking oneway, or to what suits him. I'm not refering to Greames post.

He is of sub-saharan african ancestry and he looks it phenotypically, why does this bother you so much? It wouldn't be a problem if I used Will Ferrell or Stephen Colbert as examples of irish phenotypes

He is Haitian, but his phenotype is SSA, which doesn't matter outside of anthropology/race forums

[flielagit]

He is of sub-saharan african ancestry and he looks it phenotypically, why does this bother you so much? It wouldn't be a problem if I used Colin Ferrell or Stephen Colbert as examples of irish phenotypes

What bothers me is your focus on phenotype rather than nationality/ethincity. I doubt you would use Benecio Del Torro or Andy Garcia as prime an examples of European phenotypes. Colin Farrell was born in Ireland and has an Irish accent. Why wouldn't he be a great example of an Irish?

[Rounteetepe]

What bothers me is your focus on phenotype rather than nationality/ethincity. I doubt you would use Benecio Del Torro or Andy Garcia as prime an examples of European phenotypes.

Honestly, that was the first picture I could think of as an example sorry

[furillo]

Honestly, that was the first picture I could think of as an example sorry

Maybe it's because you live in the New world with people of this phenotype,so that's what your more familiar with.

[ancexttew]

bump (lol)

[tmobmobfil]

i saw an indian dude a while back that was one of the darkest people ive seen in a while,darker than probably 70 percent or more of the blacks i meet on a daily basis..


simply put, BLACK means someone who is african descended,though usually when referring to africans they are kinda in their own category,as in this guy is black,THAT guy is african.

you dont really have to pred. afram either.its not about skin color as much about behavior AND facial features/hair/skin tone,which comes last because you got alot of people who are unmistakably black face to face but have a lighter skin tone that is more along the lines of a yellow or an olive complexion than it is a black or brown complexion.

[JeremyBalll]

Portuguese people used to call almost everyone they met on their voyages in the 15th-16th centuries "black" (Negro). The natives of Brazil were called "negros da terra" (blacks from the land) by the early Portuguese colonists. The Africans they bought as slaves were called "negros da Guiné" (blacks from Guinea) to differentiate them. I wonder if they called Indian people or Chinese people black as well.