[jimbomaxf]

This is the problem with crime statistics. People like this guy they lump in with white people and it confuses the numbers. Tinfoil hat time. I'm pretty sure it is intentional to make it seem like whites commit more crimes than they actually do.

If someone that looked like him was caught trying to cross the border illegally and a certain section of the population wanted him shipped back home he wouldn't be white then and the people who wanted him sent back would be called racist.

[UltraSearchs]

I have seen some of these cases where a 'white guy' is arrested on suspicion of a crime, then you see the mugshot and they are obviously a mestizo or other mixed race person. Actually it happens quite a lot. It's easy enough to find genuine white criminals too... just need to go search some place that has very few minorities. Overall though, yes it skews the crime statistics, just as it skews the census statistics, the way people are categorized.

I think that non-white racists (yes I am calling them / you that) need whites to be criminals and racists to justify their views. So this works out for them.

Another interesting phenomenon is if there is a predominantly minority neighborhood X in majority white part of town Y, the news blurb tends to read, 'police investigate a shooting in Y, film at 11'. Then you see the actual location and it is commonly referred to by all residents of the town as X, not some vague Y. Like they can't stigmatize ghettos as being places where crime actually happens.

When a crooked black cop robs a Mexican illegal immigrant for the cash he has on him, is it a hate crime? What about when a crooked white cop does it? If you identify a group of people who are easy marks for crime, then victimize them, do you hate them... or maybe you actually appreciate them in some bizarre way.

Yes, I would say the perceptions of racism in our society are pretty skewed.

[F1grandprix]

I see exactly what you are saying, I too was very perplexed when I first saw this on the news, a white man killing a teenager right in front of his house. Then I see the mugshot and I'm like "That dude ain't white?" But it seems that this is the future, it's like Reverse ODR, or WODR.

I'm just now looking at this thread and want to add that I saw the photo of George Zimmerman. German surname but looks Amerindian/European. In Florida, he is considered "white". What would not be considered white in other parts of the USA is considered white in Florida, especially South Florida (and Central Florida). In Florida, the Hispanics don't want to be labelled Hispanic, they want to be called white, so most are listed as white. Anyone with a drop of European can be white. There are two choices: white or black. The extremely dark black hispanics and very dark African-Americans can be listed as black. President Obama would be listed as white here. I've seen this when I temped somewhere and the lady in charge was listing nearly all new incomers, hispanics, as white. The newspaper put out a list of all criminals that cannot be found in the county because of bogus addresses or skipped parole, with mugshots of all the offenders, sex offenders on the loose, nearly all were listed as white, except for a few black men, but all the "white" men in the photos were hispanics and light-skinned black men.

As for Zimmerman, I think he was a hyper-vigilant neighborhood watch guard and would have followed anyone he did not recognize. He should not have shot the teen. That is cold blooded murder.

I've been followed too, by hyper-vigilant neighborhood watch guards in their cars, when I walk to the grocery store/walmart at night, which is scary. It's what they do.


Then there is the case of a white teen in Florida, Michael Brewer, who was doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire, by a group of non-white teens. That was never mentioned as racist, but I think it was. I saw local news footage of the teens being tried in court, and all were black or hispanic.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/13/...a.teen.burned/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581075,00.html

[MYMcvBgl]

He aint white he looks 100% like a mexican.

[Srewxardsasv]

His family claims he isn't racist, and that he is "hispanic", I wonder how he feels about what he did. I still suspect mental disabilities, I saw the kid he shot, I don't even see how he could've mistaken the kid for dangerous, he was unarmed, and the kid ran from him, why would he shoot him, the only way I can make sense of this, if he isn't a senseless (I'd think a sensible person wouldn't believe they'd get away with this, or that it was worth it to shoot an unarmed kid) and psychopathic racist, I feel like he must be psychologically disturbed.

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Then there is the case of a white teen in Florida, Michael Brewer, who was doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire, by a group of non-white teens. That was never mentioned as racist, but I think it was. I saw local news footage of the teens being tried in court, and all were black or hispanic.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/13/...a.teen.burned/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581075,00.html

Wait, why do you believe that was racially motivated, but not the Zimmerman shooting? Or do you think they both were racially motivated? From the articles you left, it sounds like these kids thought they were gangsters or something. I know there are racially motivated crimes committed by "whites" and "blacks", I wouldn't deny that but I don't see evidence in the case you put up.

This case seems racially motivated to me http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/06/...ime/index.html
I say that because there is evidence in the case that the boys had racist intention behind their violence. I'm not sure about the Zimmerman case though, but if he isn't racist, something must be wrong with him, and if he is racist I guess there still must be something wrong with him cause his actions were unhidden, and this is 2012. You could get away with killing a "black" kid for no reason maybe 50 years ago, not today, of course I'm not familiar with Florida.

[RorieSorNearop]

Another thing I'd like to mention is that for every racially contentious shooting that happens under questionable circumstances, like this one, there are many justifiable self defense shootings that happen. This perception that "anytime a black guy shoots someone he goes to prison" is patently false and a biased perception. Simply in your coastal urban gun controlled region, this is what the media feeds you, and perhaps what you need to believe to justify your views on the justice system. If I felt like it I could easily search my local news sites and put 10 or 20 legal and justified kills where a black person defended themselves or their homes from a carjacker, home invader, etc. also usually black and no charges were filed. It happens so often that it is barely local news, and national news outlets aren't inclined to publicize it. We have many thousands of law abiding local black men and women with CCP's and strapped with pistols right here in this county and they do defend themselves legally on the regular.

[itaspCatCriny]

The issue with this case is the lack of the response to what seems to be cold blooded murder. The killer, George Zimmerman, whether he be "white" or mestizo, seems to me like a paranoid schizophrenic and racist against "blacks" based on his record of "suspicions". They haven't said much about his race, but I have heard a few sources say he was "white", and I'm pretty sure he would be considered "white" on the "police radar", I doubt they'd call him a "mestizo male", regardless, his ethnicity isn't really the issue. The issue is the lack of response by authorities, and the withholding of certain important evidence. More is coming out about the case, you should check it all as it comes before you make a decision.

I don't think I'd call it a race war, plenty of "whites" are upset as well, but I definitely think racism is still powerful in the states, especially in the more rural areas. There are also systematic forms of racism which target "blacks", and don't need a specific racist actor, because they are in law. Without getting off topic though, you should check the updates, I actually heard the call from Zimmerman, I personally think he is mentally unstable but I can' be sure, I have to wonder though why he wasn't arrested, and how he was able to convince the cops that it was self defense.

The victim was black, that was all the convincing the police needed. That's how the fucking cops look at us, we're all the enemy.

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This is the problem with crime statistics. People like this guy they lump in with white people and it confuses the numbers. Tinfoil hat time. I'm pretty sure it is intentional to make it seem like whites commit more crimes than they actually do.

If someone that looked like him was caught trying to cross the border illegally and a certain section of the population wanted him shipped back home he wouldn't be white then and the people who wanted him sent back would be called racist.

Nobody actually knows this guy's ethnicity.

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His family claims he isn't racist, and that he is "hispanic", I wonder how he feels about what he did. I still suspect mental disabilities, I saw the kid he shot, I don't even see how he could've mistaken the kid for dangerous, he was unarmed, and the kid ran from him, why would he shoot him, the only way I can make sense of this, if he isn't a senseless (I'd think a sensible person wouldn't believe they'd get away with this, or that it was worth it to shoot an unarmed kid) and psychopathic racist, I feel like he must be psychologically disturbed.

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Wait, why do you believe that was racially motivated, but not the Zimmerman shooting? Or do you think they both were racially motivated? From the articles you left, it sounds like these kids thought they were gangsters or something. I know there are racially motivated crimes committed by "whites" and "blacks", I wouldn't deny that but I don't see evidence in the case you put up.

To any white fucking supremacist any crime against white people by a non-white is racially motivated, that's the logic of how they spin things because they're fucking racists with an axe to grind.

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This is the problem with crime statistics. People like this guy they lump in with white people and it confuses the numbers. Tinfoil hat time. I'm pretty sure it is intentional to make it seem like whites commit more crimes than they actually do.

If someone that looked like him was caught trying to cross the border illegally and a certain section of the population wanted him shipped back home he wouldn't be white then and the people who wanted him sent back would be called racist.

Seriously, are you really fucking complaining about this guy being lumped in with white people? How's about you walk in my shoes and the shoes of other black fucking males who get lumped in the piles with criminal black males simply because we are black males, now that's some real shit to ponder bud. Nobody is going to think whites are more criminal because of this little shithead, but you can bet your ass that if one black male commits a crime we're all going to get painted with the same broad stroke of a brush.

[hrthwhr]

I haven't heard this part yet, but if it's true then you're probably right it could be racially motivated.



I should have specified. Well so far I haven't heard a ton of information to imply that this was necessarily a racial crime. But it's possible.

People are justifiably angry over the murder. However, the sick part is how everyone seems to want the killer to be white. When the story his the news it seems like way too many people wanted to direct their anger at white people. Look at the comments on any online news article or Youtube video about the story to see hundreds of anti-white attacks. The ironic part is that now the pictures have been released and the man looks very mestizo, so people are now trying to rationalize it and find some way that they can still classify him as "white". This kind of stuff is sick, and I think indicative of a very deep social problem of perceived racism.

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I'd like to add one little anecdotal story of perceived racism. It's a story of a non-white member of my family. She hung around a bad crowd when she was young. The people were ghetto, drug users, thieves. One of them stole my wallet right out of our house. She and some other friends were arrested for shoplifting lots of clothing. Some of the guys including her ex-boyfriend were arrested for first degree murder. For my birthday when I was young I was given a car stereo that clearly looked like it had been stolen. So the point is that this wasn't a real classy group of individuals.

Now...I remember one particular instance where my family member and her friends were pulled over by the police. After that happened she went on this anti-white tirade because whitey pulled them over for being non-white.

She didn't assume that they were pulled over for any of the reasons that I posted about above. In her mind it was solely based on race. That, is perceived racism.

I understand what your saying now...I do believe that many want to lump him in with the white category. However In society you are what you are perceived to be its not based on reality. I do respect and understand your position. I think you might want to consider why any minority would autmomatically assume it was racist...especially with what he said when he called the police.

If you smack someone in the face for 50 years then go in for a hug one day, then complain about the victim being paranoid... Thats a little unreasonable to me...my two cents

I guess it boils down to were you grew up. I grew up in the bronx...plenty of police brutality...police murders. black guy gets shot 41 times in brooklyn by cops just for pulling out a brown wallet. We moved out of NY because of that. Moved to DC Same Ol Same O...Are we unreasonable to assume that cops in urban NY and DC are mostly hostile toward blacks and hispanics? Are we Paranoid for no reason? When there is a history of hate in a country against largely one group of people one cannot simply disregard there complaining, anger, resentment. We all need a level of understanding of each other.

[Zarekylin75]

He aint white he looks 100% like a mexican.

This discussion shows clearly that "White" is a losen term. This guy could easily pass in South Europe. No doubt.

Btw. Is he a Jew? Zimmermann is a very common name among Jews.

[Jannet.K]

The fact that mufuckas are more concern with this guy being lumped in with whites makes me think.

[Lenny Hensley]

This discussion shows clearly that "White" is a losen term. This guy could easily pass in South Europe. No doubt.

No he couldn't. His eyes show clear Amerindian ancestry.

[bensabath]

No he couldn't. His eyes show clear Amerindian ancestry.

Bullshit, he looks pure Mediterranean Cockasoid.

[Meerenuch]

I understand what your saying now...I do believe that many want to lump him in with the white category. However In society you are what you are perceived to be its not based on reality. I do respect and understand your position. I think you might want to consider why any minority would autmomatically assume it was racist...especially with what he said when he called the police.

The more I have learned about this case the more I am convinced that the murder was racially motivated. The part that I can't get past is how so many people are conditioned to thinking of racism as being something exclusive to white people.

Racially this case has been a bit of a bait and switch. The crime was extremely tragic, but I feel that it got so much viral attention because of the original perception that this was a white on black hate crime. Now that the facts have come out I think this might be the first nationwide case to show the public that racism can come from anyone.

Bullshit, he looks pure Mediterranean Cockasoid.

The fact that mufuckas are more concern with this guy being lumped in with whites makes me think.

The victim was black, that was all the convincing the police needed. That's how the fucking cops look at us, we're all the enemy.[COLOR="Silver"]

To any white fucking supremacist any crime against white people by a non-white is racially motivated, that's the logic of how they spin things because they're fucking racists with an axe to grind.[COLOR="Silver"]

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Hey, I'm sorry for whatever you've been through in your lifetime but it's clear that you have some serious racism issues. I'm glad you commented because this has relevance to my original post. You, and many people commenting on this news story online seem to have racist, anti-white views.

Now, I do believe you when you said "Try walking in a black man's shoes..." but what people don't realize is that reactionary racism is still racism. If a lot of people from X race treated you poorly and now you dislike X race, that's racism! That's a racial prejudgement. It doesn't matter where it stems from. When a person has this blatant racism they lose the moral high ground. It becomes no longer the evil oppressors versus the oppressed, but simply team A against team B.

Anyway, another form of racism is white guilt. A lot of people I've seen commenting on this news story have actually been white people filled with white guilt.

It's clear that there is an unspoken anti-white sentiment in this country. Look no further than the Trayvon Martin story where so many people are angry, and they instinctively want to turn that anger towards white people so they try to accuse the murderer of being white, even when we have the family's testimony, and photographic proof that it's not true.

[berdyanskdotsu]

This discussion shows clearly that "White" is a losen term. This guy could easily pass in South Europe. No doubt.

Btw. Is he a Jew? Zimmermann is a very common name among Jews.

I think he is "hispanic", but the name does sound German to me, and possibly belonging to an Ashkenazi Jew. I figured maybe he is like Carlos Condit , who would also be considered "white" by law enforcement.

As for the loosening of the term "white", this is not new. Law enforcement usually calls you how they see you t first glance. There is no Meztizo category and you wont be hispanic unless you speak Spanish and they know it. When it comes down to it, regardless of his genetic background, "white" is a social term, and if he is considered "white", it doesn't matter how much non-White blood he has, and I'm not surprised he is. He is maybe an "off-white", so he's the insulation "whites" have against the non-whites. Anyhow, I'm not sure he himself is racist, but I don't see how he got away with what he did, I doubt a "black" person could get away with such little evidence, even a cop, he's not even that. I wonder if this happened to a "white" kid if we'd see the same response by authorities, Florida doesn't have the best record when it comes to "race-relations".

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The more I have learned about this case the more I am convinced that the murder was racially motivated. The part that I can't get past is how so many people are conditioned to thinking of racism as being something exclusive to white people.

Racially this case has been a bit of a bait and switch. The crime was extremely tragic, but I feel that it got so much viral attention because of the original perception that this was a white on black hate crime. Now that the facts have come out I think this might be the first nationwide case to show the public that racism can come from anyone.



I like your humble, thought out approach to discussing the problems faced by the black community. I agree with you that there are serious social issues that need to be addressed. Like a guy being shot 41 times for pulling out his wallet. That's inexcusable. I think that you're probably right in that the black community has some right to feel paranoia when you're living in conditions like that.

In my own defense, I personally watch mostly left-wing, liberal commentator news shows. Many of the commentators and audience are white, and actually they are the ones who I've seen fanning the flames of racism with this case. There's nothing wrong with publicizing a news story with accurate information to bring attention to a social issue, such as racism. But that's what makes me so angry about this case. Calling this a white on black crime is not accurate and needlessly stokes racial tension.

I heard allot about it on the radio, in the recent days and the host Michael Baisden keeps repeating that it is not a "racial-issue" because "whites, blacks and latinos" are all coming out in outrage over the incident. I'm pretty sure he's "black", but I think it's unfortunate that it is being sold the way it is by the liberal news shows, and I'm not sure why it seems that way, but it seems pretty clear to me that racism isn't a "white" only issue, though if this Zimmerman guy is considered "white" by "the law", than I'd call him "white" unless he'd asked to be called otherwise. If he was mulatto, they'd probably call him "black", and I'd except that as well. It's an example of the polarizing nature of American racial views.

In certain circumstances though even the "whites" will be targeted for racism by "whites". And we know they are targeted for racism by non-whites as well, but first and foremost I think we have to face the case at hand before we get into how people are labeled by the media, because if we go down that route we'd have to consider so much that isn't exactly relevant to the case.

[andrekuper]

No he couldn't. His eyes show clear Amerindian ancestry.

He could pass in Southern European Countrys. I live in Europe and I know what I am talking about.

[EzekelEnzino]

He could pass in Southern European Countrys. I live in Europe and I know what I am talking about.

I know what Latinos look like. I live in America and I know what I am talking about. His eyes are too chinky for Southern Europe. His nose shows non-Euro too.

Anyway he self-identifies as Hispanic so whatever.

[anfuckinggs]

I'm just now looking at this thread and want to add that I saw the photo of George Zimmerman. German surname but looks Amerindian/European. In Florida, he is considered "white". What would not be considered white in other parts of the USA is considered white in Florida, especially South Florida (and Central Florida). In Florida, the Hispanics don't want to be labelled Hispanic, they want to be called white, so most are listed as white. Anyone with a drop of European can be white. There are two choices: white or black. The extremely dark black hispanics and very dark African-Americans can be listed as black. President Obama would be listed as white here. I've seen this when I temped somewhere and the lady in charge was listing nearly all new incomers, hispanics, as white. The newspaper put out a list of all criminals that cannot be found in the county because of bogus addresses or skipped parole, with mugshots of all the offenders, sex offenders on the loose, nearly all were listed as white, except for a few black men, but all the "white" men in the photos were hispanics and light-skinned black men.

As for Zimmerman, I think he was a hyper-vigilant neighborhood watch guard and would have followed anyone he did not recognize. He should not have shot the teen. That is cold blooded murder.

I've been followed too, by hyper-vigilant neighborhood watch guards in their cars, when I walk to the grocery store/walmart at night, which is scary. It's what they do.


Then there is the case of a white teen in Florida, Michael Brewer, who was doused with a flammable liquid and set on fire, by a group of non-white teens. That was never mentioned as racist, but I think it was. I saw local news footage of the teens being tried in court, and all were black or hispanic.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/13/...a.teen.burned/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,581075,00.html

You're wrong. George Zimmerman would not be consider white in south Florida, and neither would Obama. Hispanic is an ethnic group not a race, so a white Hispanic of european decedents can be listed as white. Most Cubans in south Florida are of European decedents. And before you start with the whole BS about White Cubans being mix I would refer you to the two comments on your post from the link below. A light skinned black men would never be consider white in south Florida. Your posts are really laughable.
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...676#post779676

[jstizzle]

He aint white he looks 100% like a mexican.

I agree-except that he looks like he could also be tri-racial to me. I don't see how he can be considered white (and certainly not in the south Florida areas where I sometimes hang...)

[sportsbettinge]

[QUOTE=XMidnightX;782177]The more I have learned about this case the more I am convinced that the murder was racially motivated. The part that I can't get past is how so many people are conditioned to thinking of racism as being something exclusive to white people.

Racially this case has been a bit of a bait and switch. The crime was extremely tragic, but I feel that it got so much viral attention because of the original perception that this was a white on black hate crime. Now that the facts have come out I think this might be the first nationwide case to show the public that racism can come from anyone.



I like your humble, thought out approach to discussing the problems faced by the black community. I agree with you that there are serious social issues that need to be addressed. Like a guy being shot 41 times for pulling out his wallet. That's inexcusable. I think that you're probably right in that the black community has some right to feel paranoia when you're living in conditions like that.

In my own defense, I personally watch mostly left-wing, liberal commentator news shows. Many of the commentators and audience are white, and actually they are the ones who I've seen fanning the flames of racism with this case. There's nothing wrong with publicizing a news story with accurate information to bring attention to a social issue, such as racism. But that's what makes me so angry about this case. Calling this a white on black crime is not accurate and needlessly stokes racial tension.

---------- Post added 2012-03-20 at 15:57 ----------





I understand...The media does indeed play the whole white v black or black v white agenda very frequently for views. And this distorts reality and brings even more tension. Cant knock you at all for feeling that way

[Jannet.K]

He could pass in Southern European Countrys. I live in Europe and I know what I am talking about.

Can't tell if this is trolling ......