[Evdokia]

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/loc...inican-Indians
Santo Domingo.- Mulatto, black and white will be the only colors among Dominicans and will be stated thus in the citizens ID cards (cedula), effectively eradicating the nation’s “Indians.”
The bill “Dominican Republic Electoral Law Reform” states that in the master file of cedulas the color of Dominicans will be established by their ethnic group, and as such only three colors. The Spanish Royal Academy of Language defines ethnic group as “a human community defined by racial affinities.”
Organization of American States (OAS) and Central Electoral Board (JCE)technicians drafted the legislation to reform Electoral Law 275-97, and will be debated by the JCE prior to being submitted to Congress in the next few days.
The bill also states that in addition to the person’s ethnic group, in the cedulas master file information must figure the serial number for each municipality, the specific identity number, a citizen’s blood type, their father’s and mother’s full names, their digital photo and fingerprints, among others.
Rebuke
The measure announced late Thursday drew quick rebuke Friday morning, with prominent media figure Teo Veras asking the JCE to “leave that as is,” because in his view, it could only stoke “ill feelings.”
Although nearly all Taino Indians perished early during Spanish colonization, the term “Indio” lingered from the many remaining descendants of mixed blood also called mestizos.
The term over time came to describe a person whose color is neither black, white nor mulatto, the latter often called "moreno.". I am agisnt this, as there are people of indigenous aqncestry in the DR and I think the indigenous status should be included, Dominican posters, what do you think about this?

[Badyalectlawl]

I saw this article, i don't think i have ever seen a dominican of visible amerindian phenotype, or a person pred native ancestry, i know there are, but they are rare...

[Caunnysup]

I saw this article, i don't think i have ever seen a dominican of visible amerindian phenotype, or a person pred native ancestry, i know there are, but they are rare...

But they are there, that is the point, they shouldn't be ignored.

[FoetAgerhot46]

But they are there, that is the point, they shouldn't be ignored.

So there are Dominicans of over 50% Native ancestry Jib? Since, there's no Native culture in tact or Native language there, how would Native identity be determined, by phenotype or genotype?

[Sydrothcoathy]

So there are Dominicans of over 50% Native ancestry Jib? Since, there's no Native culture in tact or Native language there, how would Native identity be determined, by phenotype or genotype?

There are elements of taino culture in Domincian campesinos one, also in PR jibaro culture, still there are people who identify with the taino elemnt of DR culture and their taino ancestry and they can't be denied that just because they aren't pure Taino ro live a 100% intact taino culture.
And according to that logic neither they should identify as black, as they don't speak the African language or live a 100% African culture.

[pageup85]

Are there strictly or nearly so Euro-Indigenous people in P.R.? Castizos?

[CowextetleSix]

There are elements of taino culture in Domincian campesinos one, also in PR jibaro culture, still there are people who identify with the taino elemnt of DR culture and their taino ancestry and they can't be denied that just because they aren't pure Taino ro live a 100% intact taino culture.
And according to that logic neither they should identify as black, as they don't speak the African language or live a 100% African culture.

I am just going by what usually determines Native identity in the countries of the Western hemisphere. I've never seen mixed people who don't practice a (traditional/linguistic) Native culture be identified as Native statistically and demographically.

[Buyingtime]

Are there strictly or nearly so Euro-Indigenous people in P.R.? Castizos?

Yes, there are a decent popualti of castizos and Mestizos, PR is not a mulatto land.

[Bymnbypeten]

Yes, there are a decent popualti of castizos and Mestizos, PR is not a mulatto land.

Yet, we have not seen the first PR yet score 50% Amerind.

[MilenaJaf]

I am just going by what usually determines Native identity in the countries of the Western hemisphere. I've never seen mixed people who don't practice a (traditional/linguistic) Native culture be identified as Native statistically and demographically.

There are people in DR and PR who practice Taino culture and speak some Taino dialect, those are the ones who are protesting( I do not practice taino culture or speak that fluently lie them but I am with them)

[brorialsibers]

Yes, there are a decent popualti of castizos and Mestizos, PR is not a mulatto land.

What would you estimate the percentage of these P.R.'s to be?

[Anykeylo]

Yet, we have not seen the first PR yet score 50% Amerind.

But there are the ones who practice the culture and speak some dialect of the language, they don't care if they are 50,% 40%, 30%, or whatever, they won't stop claiming their heritage and culture just because of that.

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What would you estimate the percentage of these P.R.'s to be?

A nice majority, located on the west and mountanoous side of the island.

[wheettebott]

But there are the ones who practice the culture and speak some dialect of the language, they don't care if they are 50,% 40%, 30%, or whatever, they won't stop claiming their heritage and culture just because of that.

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A nice majority, located on the west and mountanoous side of the island.

There freakin rare here in NY, i think they average max at ~30% native.

[Verger99]

But there are the ones who practice the culture and speak some dialect of the language, they don't care if they are 50,% 40%, 30%, or whatever, they won't stop claiming their heritage and culture just because of that.

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A nice majority, located on the west and mountanoous side of the island.

I think you're talking about Boricuas here Jib, not Dominicans. What Dominicans practice what you just mentioned? I've only actually seen one Dominican in my whole life identify as Taino. It's not like PR.

[gedsiz]

I think you're talking about Boricuas here Jib, not Dominicans. What Dominicans practice what you just mentioned? I've only actually seen one Dominican in my whole life identify as Taino. It's not like PR.

There are many more who do so, but they are underrated, PR are the ones who identify more as it, Dominicans have knowledge in taino culture, I remeber kilometro speaking about taino legends and taino words, but despite it only some identify as soleley Taino, but majority just identify as Dominicans, but despite that, why eliminating the indigenous identity from DR society?

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There freakin rare here in NY, i think they average max at ~30% native.

Diasporing population don't represnt a country population, it is like saying all Mexicans are your clones.

[suidinguilelf]

There are many more who do so, but they are underrated, PR are the ones who identify more as it, Dominicans have knowledge in taino culture, I remeber kilometro speaking about taino legends and taino words, but despite it only some identify as soleley Taino, but majority just identify as Dominicans, but despite that, why eliminating the indigneous identity from DR society?

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Diasporing population don't represnt a country population, it is like saying all Mexicans are your clones.

I don't think there was an Indigena category in DR in the first place so I don't know what you are talking about Jib. Kilo and Andullero have mentioned various times that Indio in DR does not mean Indigena, it is just a color descriptor, so those people being called Indio before were not being identified as Indigenous but as a skin color.

[Rithlilky]

There are many more who do so, but they are underrated, PR are the ones who identify more as it, Dominicans have knowledge in taino culture, I remeber kilometro speaking about taino legends and taino words, but despite it only some identify as soleley Taino, but majority just identify as Dominicans, but despite that, why eliminating the indigenous identity from DR society?

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Diasporing population don't represnt a country population, it is like saying all Mexicans are your clones.

Yea i know, PR is not a mulatto nation It is diverse

[ExelePlavisseu]

I don't think there was an Indigena category in DR in the first place so I don't know what you are talking about Jib. Kilo and Andullero have mentioned various times that Indio in DR does not mean Indigena, it is just a color descriptor, so those people being called Indio before were not being identified as Indigenous but as a skin color.

Well, tell it to Jorge Estevez, he identifies as Taino like some people in DR and was the creator of this article.

Another of his articles: http://www.centrelink.org/TestimonyC.html

[P1international]

Well, tell it to Jorge Estevez, he identifies as Taino like some people in DR and was the creator of this article.

Another of his articles: http://www.centrelink.org/TestimonyC.html

Remember I mentioned, I only saw 1 Dominican ever identify as Taino....well that is him!

[inofindy]

Remember I mentioned, I only saw 1 Dominican ever identify as Taino....well that is him!

And don't you think there are many more who identifies as taino like him, because I have known a few(in internet of course).