[Plaumpholavup]

For me it's not so much phenotype, but moreso anyone with visible or somewhat visible SSA admixture who adopts mannerisms that are Afram-like or is totally Aframized.

I would call this despite the latter looking way more Afram/black.

I understand what you mean, but I don't think "Afram-ness" is the barometer for "Blackness"

[GenryDont]

Just SSAs or is it more broad to you? I know some people also consider Aborigine Australians and some Asian groups to be Black.

What is Black to you?
Also, do you consider Halle Berry Black or mixed? What do you think about the ODR? Do you consider mixed raced people with SSA admixture black?

What is interesting is that I used to resist the term "African American" but I am now more likely to say that than "black" for Americans of predominant SSA ancestry. Halle Berry I would describe as mixed African American and Euro ancestry. I always loathed the ODR.

[raspirator]

Anyone who looks predominantly SSA, anything else I'd consider a mix. I wouldn't consider someone who is 50/50 as black as I find that a very illogical way of thinking.

[M_Marked]

For me it's not so much phenotype, but moreso anyone with visible or somewhat visible SSA admixture who adopts mannerisms that are Afram-like or is totally Aframized.

I would call this despite the latter looking way more Afram/black.

I think what you mean is that the first one is more Afram culturally, while the other is physically more ''black''.

[Ephedrine]

I have met some Tamils who were darker than the average Afram but didn't consider them to be black. They didn't identify as black either. Also met some people from Louisiana who had obvious admixture but didn't identify as black or Creole etc. Like a dark guy who regularly gets confused as MENA but identifies as Cajun and grew up in a mainly white culture. To me it seems more applicable to people of visible African descent who identify with a culture that considers itself black.

[emexiagog]

Anyone who looks predominantly SSA, anything else I'd consider a mix. I wouldn't consider someone who is 50/50 as black as I find that a very illogical way of thinking.

What about Aboriginies, dark skinned Indians, Andaman Islanders, "Negritos", Papuans and Melanesians?

[Junrlaeh]

I have met some quadroons say they were 1/2 Black despite the fact their Black parent was Mulatto.

[Tnzxovoz]

With the right haircut

This, would pass as black?
http://images03.olx.in/ui/4/82/62/65...g-home-job.jpg

[JessicaLin]

I think a lot of people don't know what a quadroon or octaroon and what have you is. They probably just see their mixed dad as a black guy so they figure that they are half black.

[HondasMenFox]

I have met some quadroons say they were 1/2 Black despite the fact their Black parent was Mulatto.

That's because Americans often confuse ethnicity and race, and use them interchangeably.

Its all rather arbitrary at the end of the day.

[abubycera]

I consider Australian Aborigines to be "Black fellas", because that is what they call themselves.
And with pride I may add.



We are the "White fellas" and no shame in that either.


I call Africans ___"Africans", or use the name of the country where they came from, because that is how they identify themselves.
It would feel quite rude to impose any other term.

[chuecafresss]

This, would pass as black?
http://images03.olx.in/ui/4/82/62/65...g-home-job.jpg

With the right haircut

[viagra_generic]

Also Interesting:
Where do we draw the line between ''Black'' and ''Brown''

Curious at the answers I'll get

[gomosopions]

Before I knew anything about genetics, Black meant anyone who look black, i.e., dark or black skin, curly or wooly hair, etc. This would include SSA's and all the "Australoid" varieties. But today, I loosely define it as someone of predominant SSA ancestry.

[dubballey]

Also Interesting:
Where do we draw the line between ''Black'' and ''Brown''

Curious at the answers I'll get

That is one of the reasons the color schemes are flawed in the ethnicity name game.

[Xlkl9SFd]

Also Interesting:
Where do we draw the line between ''Black'' and ''Brown''

Curious at the answers I'll get

As far a pigmentation goes, technically I'm a true brown. Most other New World Blacks, SSAs and other included high-melanin and/or kinky haired groups are varying shades of true brown. A pure Nilote or Andaman Islander is essentially black.

[namaikaimvputka]

Also Interesting:
Where do we draw the line between ''Black'' and ''Brown''

Curious at the answers I'll get

To me the only people who are truly brown or black are Tropical peoples, Native Americans, Melanesians, Indians Africans etc. All other people are varying shades of beige or pink. IMO.

[pataagusata]

What about Aboriginies, dark skinned Indians, Andaman Islanders, "Negritos", Papuans and Melanesians?

I consider dark skinned Indians as just that dark skinned Indians. Though I don't know about Aboriginies (aren't they Asian gentically?) nor "Negritos", Papuans and Melanesians yet :-p. Though I consider anyone who is genetically and phenotypically predominantly SSA (70-75%+) to be (predominantly) "black", unless of course they identify otherwise then I'd respect that and would probably start "seeing" the other influences if I didn't see them before.

Anyone whom is significantly SSA and whom looks visibly mixed, and/or is genetically so (and/or identifies as such) I'd see as mixed, and not just "black".

[boiffrona]

Anyone who looks predominantly SSA, anything else I'd consider a mix. I wouldn't consider someone who is 50/50 as black as I find that a very illogical way of thinking.

Mariah Carey was asked the question whether she considered herself to be black since she has SSA ancestry as well as European, specifically Irish, ancestry. She had a very interesting answer. She said "here in the U.S., I'm considered black, but in other places of the world (such as Africa) I'm considered White". I'm paraphrasing here and going off memory. But the term "black" is subjective and relative.

[Riprincattiva]

That is one of the reasons the color schemes are flawed in the ethnicity name game.

I think people often call brown people, people whom are darker than olive (or olive skinned) with none/minimal SSA features. I say that because I have seen people call someone who has visible SSA features "black", to later call someone else of the same shade "brown", when the difference was in their facial features and not skin color, which really made me think of the distinction between black and brown and has me a bit confused still.

Someone can be brown skinned, but can look ''black'', and someone can be ''black'' skinned, but look Indian (what are they genetically? predominantly Asians?).

So I guess it depends on which meaning you give to words as black and brown, they can be interpret in different ways and have different meanings.