[HedoShoodovex]

Yup the episode just aired and he was portrayed by a somewhat Mediterranean looking white male. The guys representing him were some Anglo types, I was hooping for some Lebanese Hannibal historians.

Now interestingly enough in the Deadliest Warrior video game Hannibal is portrayed as black.

[Aluback]

And which do you think is more distant from the historical truth?

Hint: the latter.

[lungumnentibe]

hanibal ante portas

he was good strategist, not a warrior imo, in fact he was bad strategist, but good tactician.

[Searmoreibe]

And why do you say that? His decision to travel through the Mountains (against Rome)?

And which do you think is more distant from the historical truth?

Hint: the latter.

That's not a hint!

He was a Cathagianian whom I think probably had Phoenician or Roman ancestry, perhaps even majoratively, and since New Kingdom era Phaoronic Egyptian times Greco-Romans have described and Kemetians depicted creamy coloured folks in the "West of Egypt" region (not that they only described one type or color of people there, quite the contrary).

Only thing is, Rome (and Greece for that matter) could often be diverse in background (if it was Rome).

[Snocioncilm]

Of course he had Phoenician ancestry. Carthage was a colony of the Phoenicians that only became independent when Phoenicia was conquered.

Carthaginians were Semitic + Berber + Anatolian, with minor Iberian, Greek and Roman and negligible if any SSA.

[tLO0hFNy]

hanibal ante portas

he was good strategist, not a warrior imo, in fact he was bad strategist, but good tactician.

this is actually true, probably one of the biggest mystery's in history is why Hannibal never attacked an undefended Rome even when his generals advised him to

[rorsvierwelia]

Of course he had Phoenician ancestry. Carthage was a colony of the Phoenicians that only became independent when Phoenicia was conquered.

Okay. I thought I'd read something significant (suggesting a likelihood of having identifiable ethnicity).

Yup the episode just aired and he was portrayed by a somewhat Mediterranean looking white male. The guys representing him were some Anglo types, I was hooping for some Lebanese Hannibal historians.

Now interestingly enough in the Deadliest Warrior video game Hannibal is portrayed as black.

well, quite a couple of times I've heard black people say "they say he was black" or "Hannibal was black", though he had straight hair (apart from I think on one coin).

I've noticed a pattern where Africa's unlikeliest black individuals are more easily / casually presented as black: Cleopatra the Macedonian, of all ancient Egyptians (not that I haven't heard that story about her sister, though it wouldn't be surprising IMO).

[sniskelsowwef]

"The Phoenicians were black...The Hebrew Semites hated them because they were black!"

[Wrencytet]

Of course he had Phoenician ancestry. Carthage was a colony of the Phoenicians that only became independent when Phoenicia was conquered.

Carthaginians were Semitic + Berber + Anatolian, with minor Iberian, Greek and Roman and negligible if any SSA.

If they're Berber admixed they're going to be "SSA" admixed dumb fuck. They were predominantly Berber with minor Levantine admixture. No need to add the random components like Iberian or Greek.

And being that some of the nomadic southern tribes are black skinned, it's likely that they were always there... a northern extension of the Garamantes/Toubou.

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"The Phoenicians were black...The Hebrew Semites hated them because they were black!"

Why post videos of fringe Afrocentric opinions? Most Africanist have a drastically different opinion.

[sharpyure]

Why post videos of fringe Afrocentric opinions? Most Africanist have a drastically different opinion.

Because I find that video amusing, catchy music as well. You're right however I think you mean negro-centrist and not afro-centrist. I'll be posting a thread regarding the invalidity of the term afro-centric later on.

[gundorana]

Having one or two black ancestors does not make one black.

All the artwork depicting Carthaginians makes them look purely Caucasoid, so whatever black genetic influence had to be minimal.

Africanists as a whole are fringe anyway.

[pennadyFeet]

"The Phoenicians were black...The Hebrew Semites hated them because they were black!"

Now I see the truth.

[voodoosdv]

Hannibal was white (Med). Carthage was run by it's Phoenician (white Med) higher class. Funny thing people can claim Phoenicians and even ancient Hebrews to have been black. Every single artwork of themselves show that they were Caucasoids.

[Kristoferson]

well if the guy wasn't blonde or something, then i guess there isn't any problem,
plus i am not aware of greeks calling phoenicians dark or anything.

Hannibal was white (Med). Carthage was run by it's Phoenician (white Med) higher class. Funny thing people can claim Phoenicians and even ancient Hebrews to have been black. Every single artwork of themselves show that they were Caucasoids.

the japanese were also black :P

[AK47rulz]

The actor was fine racially, he just didn't look like Hannibal.( if you go by the old depictions)

[Galinastva]

this is actually true, probably one of the biggest mystery's in history is why Hannibal never attacked an undefended Rome even when his generals advised him to

He had no siege weapons and none of Rome's loyal central Italian allies defected to him .

[Oxzzlvpg]

Greeks from Syracussa were greeks as phoenicians from Carthago were phoenicians. Obviously, they had to mix to a certain degree -centuries living there..-with locals, but a mixed middle eastern, north african and iberian guy -probably Hannibal's mother- would result a random med guy.

[triarmarm]

There is a big difference between phoenician and anglo, but anyway, most people who watch that show are complete morons when it comes to such matters, not unlike the members of this forum.

[xanonlinexan]

There is a big difference between phoenician and anglo, but anyway, most people who watch that show are complete morons when it comes to such matters, not unlike the members of this forum.

Infact, Greeks took good account of folks' physical appearance. Some of the Near Easterners turned out to be - according to a Greek / or Greeks (can't remember who) - lighter skinned than the Greeks themselves: I'm referring of course to the Persians. Despite the fact in 300 Xerxes their ruler gets depicted as a swarthy homoerotic piercings flaming gay Tyrant (who in the end actually ended up annihilating them anyway).

Phoenicia was on that Levantine strip, correct? The area was mix and at a crossroads. A people called the Pelisti by the Phaorohs in ancient times thought to have been the 'Philistines' resided on the same area, and were depicted as this:



and Phoenicia would've been a former ancient Phaorohnic colony in the first place.

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Besides that, the area has seen all kinds of traffic over the millenia, it's hardly like it's been a homogenous area -- there's been both Egyptian and Kushite influence throughout the whole of the mediterranean forever up until modern times.



---------- Post added 2011-08-11 at 08:39 ----------

Another image:

http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u14/c....Knossos33.jpg

[estheticianI]

Infact, Greeks took good account of folks' physical appearance. Some of the Near Easterners turned out to be - according to a Greek / or Greeks (can't remember who) - lighter skinned than the Greeks themselves: I'm referring of course to the Persians. Despite the fact in 300 Xerxes their ruler gets depicted as a swarthy homoerotic piercings flaming gay Tyrant (who in the end actually ended up annihilating them anyway).

Phoenicia was on that Levantine strip, correct? The area was mix and at a crossroads. A people called the Pelisti by the Phaorohs in ancient times thought to have been the 'Philistines' resided on the same area, and were depicted as this:



and Phoenicia would've been a former ancient Phaorohnic colony in the first place.

---------- Post added 2011-08-11 at 08:37 ----------

Besides that, the area has seen all kinds of traffic over the millenia, it's hardly like it's been a homogenous area -- there's been both Egyptian and Kushite influence throughout the whole of the mediterranean forever up until modern times.



---------- Post added 2011-08-11 at 08:39 ----------

Another image:

http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u14/c....Knossos33.jpg

It has been a homogeneous Caucasoid area through out all of times with a minor influx of north Africans. When looking at certain sub-ethnicities of parts of ancient Phoenicia such as Lebanon and the Maronites; you get a fully homogeneous Caucasoid people while the Sunnis have a minor African component.

Egypt and Kush never really had a influence over the Middle East. The Middle East influenced Egypt and Kush ever since Assyria conquered Egypt. The Middle East and Greece influenced Egypt, not vice versa.

Phoenician statues attached.