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Witnesses tell Newsradio 620 WTMJ and TODAY'S TMJ4 of a mob of young people attacking innocent fair-goers at the end of the opening night of State Fair, with some callers claiming a racially-charged scene.

Milwaukee Police confirmed there were assaults outside the fair.

Witnesses' accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night.

Authorities have not given official estimates of the number of people involved in the attacks.

"It looked like they were just going after white guys, white people," said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620 WTMJ. He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.

"They were attacking everybody for no reason whatsoever."

"It was 100% racial," claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car.

"I had a black couple on my right side, and these black kids were running in between all the cars, and they were pounding on my doors and trying to open up doors on my car, and they didn't do one thing to this black couple that was in this car next to us. They just kept walking right past their car. They were looking in everybody's windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white and who was black. Guarantee it."

Eric, a war veteran, said that the scene he saw Thursday outside State Fair compares to what he saw in combat.

"That rated right up there with it. When I saw the amount of kids coming down the road, all I kept thinking was, 'There's not enough cops to handle this.' There's no way. It would have taken the National Guard to control the number of kids that were coming off the road. They were knocking people off their motorcycles."

Another witness, who asked to remain anonymous, said, "it was like a scene you needed the National Guard to control."

"To me, it looked like a scene out of a movie," claimed the anonymous witness.

"I have not seen anything like this in my life. It was a huge mob, and it was a fight that maybe lasted one to two minutes."

Roffers claimed that as he left the state fair with his wife, crowds near that entrance were large, and someone in that crowd .

"As we got closer to the street, we looked up the road, and we saw a quite a bit of commotion going on and there was a guy laying in the road, and nobody was even laying there. He wasn't even moving. Finally a car pulled up. They stopped right next to the guy, and it looked like someone was going to help him. We were kind of stuck, because we couldn't cross. Traffic was going through. Young black men running around, beating on people, and we were like 'Let's get the heck out of here.' The light turned, and I got attacked from behind. I just got hit in the back of the head real hard. I'm like, 'What the heck is going on here?' I heard my bell ring."

Roffers further described what witnesses said happened to the man who was lying in the street.

"People were saying he was on a bike. They tore him off his bike and beat on him. We were walking to the west on Schlinger. I was watching behind me a lot more diligently, making sure there wasn't anybody coming to get us anymore."

One person claimed that someone was knocked off a motorcycle.

TODAY'S TMJ4 video shows West Allis police handcuffing at least one person, but they won't say how many people they took into custody.

Some witnesses described attacks on the State Fair Grounds as well.

Milwaukee Police said that their officers were sent to State Fair Park for "complaints of battery, fighting and property damage due to a large, unruly crowd."

A police sergeant told TODAY'S TMJ4's Melissa McCrady that the number of calls describing injuries are still coming in, so they could not give an accurate number of people who were injured.

That sergeant explained that some injuries were serious, and local hospitals were attending to the injured.

As of early Friday morning, Milwaukee Police said they had no one in custody.

One woman told police that she was sitting in her car with a window down when some teenagers reached through her window and started attacking her.

"I think once we get all the info in it'll be just like that, like what happened in Riverwest," said the police sergeant.

West Allis Police ask you to call them at 414-302-8000 if you have any information.

Eric: "I feared for my life"

Eric, who asked Newsradio 620 WTMJ not to use his last name, talked about the incidents that happened as he, his wife and a neighbor left the fair Thursday.

"We exited at the Schlinger and 84th exit, and we walked south about a block, and then went up and got our car, came back up and around down Schlinger. When we made a left hand turn, we were stopped in traffic. I looked toward the bridge, right before you get on the freeway, and all I saw was a road full of black kids, jumping over people's cars, jumping on people's hoods, running over the top of them."

Eric then claimed that he saw hundreds of young black people coming down a sidewalk.

"I saw them grab this white kid who was probably 14 or 15 years old. They just flung him into the road. They just jumped on him and started beating him. They were kicking him. He was on the ground. A girl picked up a construction sign and pushed it over on top of him. They were just running by and kicking him in the face."

Then, Eric talked about trying to get out of the car to help the victim.

"My wife pulled me back in because she didn't want me to get hit. Thankfully, there was surprising a lady that was in the car in front of me that jumped out of the car real quick and went over there to try to put her body around the kid so they couldn't see he was laying there and, obviously, defenseless. Her husband, or whoever was in the car, was screaming at her to get back into the car. She ended up going back into the car. These black kids grabbed this kid off the ground again, and pulled him up over the curb, onto the sidewalk and threw him into the bushes like he was a piece of garbage."

Eric claimed that the victim in that beating was by himself, and that there was a split of white people on one sidewalk and black people on the other.

"There was nobody else around to help him. There were no other white people, period, on that side of the street. They were going in the opposite direction because, those people who were coming out of the fair that saw these people coming, they either went back into the fair or took off running south on 84th Street."

Eric expressed anger at the State Fair Police for what he considered a lack of response.

"The thing that irritated me, the State Fair Police, the State Police, were down by the Pettit entrance to get in there," said Eric. "There was probably 5 or 6 officers down there. That's where all these kids came from. They came out of the Midway, across the front of the Pettit. They were still filing out of there. The State Fair Police, they knew this was going on. They knew these kids were beating these guys in between that exit and Schlinger at the next gate."

"They were stopping traffic, and I said 'What in the hell,' excuse my language, 'what are you guys doing directing traffic when there are 300, 400 black kids up the road beating the hell out of everybody, pushing people off of motorcycles?' I was livid. I could not believe they were directing traffic."

Fair worker: attacks not limited to outside fairgrounds

A witness told WTMJ that as he worked in a kiosk at the State Fair Midway, he saw what he described as "a Riverwest type mob. Easily between 50 - 100 kids all under 18 and all African American. They were running around knocking people over (young kids and adults), looting the Midway games (stealing the prizes), starting fights."

The witness, who asked not to be identified, couldn't say for certain if only white people were being attacked.

"It was just complete chaos. There were police on horses, lots of security guards, and EMT's on the scene. They never got control of the area."

A State Fair spokeswoman said that there were arrests made involving the incidents on the grounds.

He said that as the violence happened, he was "getting ready to grab my cash register and run."

"Not to mention this type of behavior started around 7pm and forced me to close down my stand at 9pm. It scared the paying customers out of the midway."

The man said hoping to bring family on Friday, but has decided not to.

"I was planning on bringing my two kids to the fair tonight. I won't be. We'll go to the zoo instead."

Woman: Teenagers in mob didn't attend rap concert

One woman who asked not to be identified tells us that contrary to some belief, the young people involved in the mob did not go to the rap concert that night.

"The mob of black teenagers involved in the beatings and damage outside of State Fair last night were not there for the MC Hammer concert," said the woman.

"I attended that concert with three of my friends last night and the crowd was mostly white and adult (as are my friends and I). Any kids there seemed to be with parents."

She described what she saw as she left the fair.

"As we came through the exit we saw a white boy lying in the street, in the fetal position right by the traffic light, and coming towards us was tons and tons and black teens – there had to have been over a hundred – in the middle of 84th Street and on the sidewalk headed south," she said.

"Some who stopped to kick or punch him - or in the case of one girl drop kick him in the head - as they walked past. My friends and I started towards him to help him up and a black girl walked past telling us 'ya’ll gonna get your ***** kicked' repeatedly. As my friend stood in front of the boy trying to get him up one of the teens picked up a traffic cone, hit her in the back of the head and ran off. A car stopped, a white woman got out to try and help. Teens jumped onto the hood of the car and ran over it. She just kept saying 'What is wrong with you!?' "

The witness also told us that not every African-American teenager outside the fair grounds acted violent.

"We continued to move towards the parking lot, through even more black teenagers. Thankfully this part of the crowd was not violent."

Roffers: "What in the hell's going on there?"

Roffers described his emotions and reactions to the attacks outside the park.

"I turned around and looked, there was this black kid standing there laughing, thinking it's funny. My wife's like, 'Let's get out of here.' It's one of those things, you don't expect it. Your reaction to it is, first of all, quite surprised, then you get so angry, it's like, 'What in the hell's going on there? Why are these guys acting like such hoodlums? What are they picking on anybody for?' We were just like cattle being herded out of the park, and they were picking and choosing who they wanted to beat on."

He said his injuries were limited to a headache.

Roffers said the attack wouldn't stop him from attending the State Fair.

"We will be going back," said Roffers.

"It's a family event for us. We get together with our family and we do stuff at the park to enjoy the fair. My biggest concern is that the State Fair Park Police and West Allis get their heads out of their butts and figure out how to do some security over there. This isn't the first year State Fair has been going on. They should know what the heck they've got to do and where they've got to have people in place by now."

He said that the fear spread beyond those who he believed were the target.

"There were a lot of people scared," claimed Roffers.

"There were even some young black girls. They were screaming. They were running across the road. This one girl was like, 'I don't know how I'm going to get out of here. I'm all by myself.' My wife heard her saying that. She said, 'Walk with us. Stay with us and you'll be OK.' We told her we were going down the street. If she needed any assistance, we were just going down to our car. She needed to go quite a way."

"There was this terror going on when you leave the place, you just wonder. Luckily, all the violence that was happening stayed right close by the park entrance. As we got a block away from the park, that's when the cops started showing up."

He said the lack of police and security presence will bring about his complaint up the various channels of State Fair and local police.

"They should be able to provide safety and traffic control," said Roffers. "I've never worried about it before."

He said he would give a written complaint to the State Fair and put in a call to West Allis Police, but that's not all.

"I will be contacting the State Fair Park Board and I'm going to chew on their butts a little bit about what happened."

State Fair spokeswoman: "Unfortunate situation, hopefully an isolated situation."

State Fair Director of Marketing and Communication Kathleen O'Leary told Newsradio 620 WTMJ's "Wisconsin's Morning News" that the incidents should not stop people from coming to the fair.

"Certainly, don't change your plans," said O'Leary. "Please understand that this is an unfortunate situation, hopefully an isolated situation."

Though witnesses had reported incidents inside the fair, she said the problems were mainly outside the fairgrounds.

"Not so much inside," claimed O'Leary.

"We had complete control inside of what was happening inside of our gates. It's what what spread into the neighborhoods."

O'Leary also pointed out that the fair has "taken measures already with the bag checks, when you come into the fair," but will increase authorities' presence for the remaining days at the fair.

"We will be taking severe measures, significant measures. We are in task force already, circling back around, doing everything that we can to make sure the experience is enjoyable and that the safety is insured," said O'Leary.

"They see the yellow security shirts. We have mounted police. We have bike police. We have our patrolling police. We have undercover police. That's all because that's exactly what we want. We want the safety measures intact at every turn."
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html
If these were White youths beating up Blacks everyone would not only be aware but it be on the news 24/7 but since it's Black youths attacking Whites we get self censorship. This article mentions the facts but previously they didn't mention the race of the teenage mob.

Look at this little gem as an example of self censorship:


Race and the 'flash mob' attacks

Here's my question about the teenagers who have been attacking and robbing people on North Michigan Avenue in recent days: Were they Christians? And if so, what denomination? Baptist? Catholic? Seventh Day Adventist?

Those may sound like ridiculous questions. But so is the question raised by many Tribune readers about our coverage: Why aren't we mentioning that the culprits are black?

There are good reasons not to identify the attackers by race. It's the newspaper's sound general policy not to mention race in a story, whether about crime or anything else, unless it has some clear relevance to the topic.

If a reporter goes out and interviews people about the weather, would it make sense for the story to say, "Joe Smith, who is black, is hoping for a cool front"? If a pedestrian gets run over by a bicyclist, should the story mention that the rider was white?

In the attack coverage, what difference does race make, unless police are putting out descriptions or sketches in hopes of getting tips from witnesses? Getting beat up for your iPad, I suspect, feels about the same regardless of the color of the thieves. Police don't seem to think victims were targeted because of their race.

And what good would it do to trumpet the skin color of the thugs? So pedestrians on Michigan Avenue can run away when they see two or more African-Americans? Lots of black adolescents and young adults can be found on the Magnificent Mile on any given day. I'd guess at least 95 percent of them are harmless.

My question to readers accusing us of political correctness is: Why do you care so much about the attackers' race? If you fear or dislike blacks, I suppose it would confirm your prejudice. But otherwise, it tells you nothing useful.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/o...,1883170.story It tells us the facts. The author takes a moment to make himself feel morally superior over the terrible racists who are annoyed that the race of the flash mob enthusiastists isn't mentioned but despite the percentage he pulled out of his ass that's not going to change the fact that Black youths are involved. If I see dozens of young Blacks enter a store at the same time I can reasonably predict this will happen:

Video of a 'flash mob' in Ottawa. Even Canada's Black youths are jumping on the bandwagon. Video. Obviously it would be reasonable to write in the news article that that culprits were Black youths. It's not racist. It's simply a fact.

[otheloComRole]

Damn, how f*cked up is that? Anyone targetting people for random violence like that deserves to be put down.

[Noxassope]

Bro, this is your second or third attempt at starting a discussion on the media's alleged racial bias. Thus far, every last thread has been a major flop. You're merely cherry picking from a pool of thousands of articles that document such incidents (meaning racially motivated crime in general, not particularly mob violence). Where I live, the local news media is certainly not afraid of calling hate/racial crimes exactly what they are, regardless of the race of the perpetrator(s).

If you want us to believe that white youths beating up blacks would garner 24/7 news coverage, then show us some evidence. A paper from a media watchdog or research center will do. David Duke? Not so much.

I'm waiting...

Damn, how f*cked up is that? Anyone targetting people for random violence like that deserves to be put down.

I agree.

Moreover, if reporting black on white crimes 24/7 would make such crimes less likely to occur I would welcome the change with open arms. Most everyone would.

[Suvaxal]

If these were White youths beating up Blacks everyone would not only be aware but it be on the news 24/7 but since it's Black youths attacking Whites we get self censorship. This article mentions the facts but previously they didn't mention the race of the teenage mob.

Look at this little gem as an example of self censorship:



It tells us the facts. The author takes a moment to make himself feel morally superior over the terrible racists who are annoyed that the race of the flash mob enthusiastists isn't mentioned but despite the percentage he pulled out of his ass that's not going to change the fact that Black youths are involved. If I see dozens of young Blacks enter a store at the same time I can reasonably predict this will happen:

Video of a 'flash mob' in Ottawa. Even Canada's Black youths are jumping on the bandwagon. Video. Obviously it would be reasonable to write in the news article that that culprits were Black youths. It's not racist. It's simply a fact.

After a while these incidents become all to redundant, that is, the perpetrators are usually described as coming from some disadvantaged social conditions, which is the justified response, by members of their own community,IMO.


, around 12.45

[LomodiorCon]

black Americans can be very racist that man remainds me of all those afrocentrists in this forum,I am sure they also predicate the killing of all non-blacks in their meetings
and black americans have the most fucked up groups in the world(Israelites/Panthers)

[Liabmeasez]

black Americans can be very racist that man remainds me of all those afrocentrists in this forum,I am sure they also predicate the killing of all non-blacks in their meetings
and black americans have the most fucked up groups in the world(Israelites/Panthers)

The speech itself is bad, however listen to the round of applause,and smiles after the speach, , not one voice of dissent, just a round of applause, smiles, and a "hard to follow that one" comment @ 9min.

[Hitfaromarf]

Fucked up retarded behavior.

black Americans can be very racist that man remainds me of all those afrocentrists in this forum,I am sure they also predicate the killing of all non-blacks in their meetings
and black americans have the most fucked up groups in the world(Israelites/Panthers)

I've heard all this before (and understand just like there are paranoid black people, there are 'noid white people as well), in general I'd say most black people (normally they were isolated, and so ghetto black people) have the same form of "innocent racism" I've seen from isolated whites, it's two alien cultures that don't know eachother -- simple.

In both groups there are some people who make an effort to spread word and doctrine and keep the racial awareness alive, and in some of the cases where race isn't the main point I would say I don't know if I could blame them (and this is just thinking of whites FYi, ... but also for blacks -- for the former I was thinking of profiling to tell someone something quickly simple although profiling is ultimately wrong, for the latter I was thinking of the same kind of warnings about life).

As for groups, I'd just like to say I wouldn't equate today's Black Panther Party with the original and real Black Panthers of Malcolm X's day.

[CibQueersejer]

Bro, this is your second or third attempt at starting a discussion on the media's alleged racial bias. Thus far, every last thread has been a major flop. You're merely cherry picking from a pool of thousands of articles that document such incidents (meaning racially motivated crime in general, not particularly mob violence). Where I live, the local news media is certainly not afraid of calling hate/racial crimes exactly what they are, regardless of the race of the perpetrator(s).

As much as I'm pleased that you keep track of the success or failure of past threads I create (I don't remember my first or second attempt) I ask you to grasp that the incident I present in this thread is a major incident with little media coverage that initially the race of the attackers was kept secret. I don't know where you live and nor do I care. To deny that there is a trend among Newspapers to be silent about the race, when it's about Blacks, is not cherry picking. The Chicago Tribune is a major paper and it's not the only paper that has decided to be silent about race.



If you want us to believe that white youths beating up blacks would garner 24/7 news coverage, then show us some evidence. A paper from a media watchdog or research center will do. David Duke? Not so much. Whites very rarely do that sort of thing and so you're asking for me to go back a decade for such an incident.

I'm waiting... There was the incident where a Black was dragged to his death in Texas. That received national attention. They were young adults who did time in prison and not youths. White youths aren't big on getting together to beat up Blacks.


I agree.

Moreover, if reporting black on white crimes 24/7 would make such crimes less likely to occur I would welcome the change with open arms. Most everyone would. Why would that influence anyone? People don't stop before committing a crime to think, "how will this make my ethnic/racial group look if it's on the news?" They don't even think they'll get caught.

[Frinzer]

Why, of course. Black on white crimes are rarely as prominent or reported on as other interracial crimes. Interracial crimes (Blacks against others) are quite high compared to the other way around and as such you would expect to hear more about it yet that's not the case. They occur much more often and yet they are rarely covered nationally in the media, how come? Because it's a controlled media curropted by liberalism/political correctness and rife with double standards. Blacks should not be offended, we're simply exposing the media bias not attacking them. There are many laid back blacks out there who admit there is a general trend, it's just a fact we must recognize if we are to get anywhere.

[vypusknye]

There was the incident where a Black was dragged to his death in Texas. That received national attention. They were young adults who did time in prison and not youths. White youths aren't big on getting together to beat up Blacks.

There have actually been several dragging incidents here in recent years. I hadn't realized any of them had garnered national attention.

[Leczyslaw]

There have actually been several dragging incidents here in recent years. I hadn't realized any of them had garnered national attention.

By the way, there have been many instances where black on white crimes did get high national attention such as the Jena Six a few years ago however these types of incidents are not nearly as commonly reported on nationally as hate crimes against blacks are despite the fact that blacks commit the majority of interracial crimes.

[Duseshoug]

i wonder to know why this news i can't see on CNN ?

[DoctorTentonyya]

By the way, there have been many instances where black on white crimes did get high national attention such as the Jena Six a few years ago however these types of incidents are not nearly as commonly reported on nationally as hate crimes against blacks are despite the fact that blacks commit the majority of interracial crimes.

I was under the impression that the Jena Six were wrongly imprisoned. Though I did not follow the story after it was initially reported so I may be wrong.

[nonDosearrany]

Yeah, the Jena Six case was widely covered however it only received a great amount of attention because of the controversy surrounding the case as many felt that the black youngsters were being falsely accused. In fact that case was virtually completely ignored by the media until people began to make references about the accusers being "lynched" or set up and as you can imagine that evoked strong emotions and provided quite a field day for journalists.

[Babposa]

As much as I'm pleased that you keep track of the success or failure of past threads I create (I don't remember my first or second attempt) I ask you to grasp that the incident I present in this thread is a major incident with little media coverage that initially the race of the attackers was kept secret. I don't know where you live and nor do I care. To deny that there is a trend among Newspapers to be silent about the race, when it's about Blacks, is not cherry picking. The Chicago Tribune is a major paper and it's not the only paper that has decided to be silent about race.

1. I don't know the success rate of all your threads, just the ones pertaining to "media bias", because you seemingly make a new one every other day.

2. Show me some evidence that you're not cherry picking. Again, a paper from a media watchdog or research center will do! Asserting that the media is silent about race when it's about blacks is not evidence.

Whites very rarely do that sort of thing and so you're asking for me to go back a decade for such an incident.

What do you mean by "that sort of thing"? If you're referring specifically to mob attacks, I would agree, those are quite rare. But run of the mill racially motivated attacks are most commonly committed by whites. Here are some statistics from the FBI:

"In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:
â–*62.4 percent were white.
â–*18.5 percent were black.
â–*7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
â–*1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
â–*0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
â–*10.2 percent were of unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)"

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html

Feel free to look at the documents.

There was the incident where a Black was dragged to his death in Texas. That received national attention. They were young adults who did time in prison and not youths. White youths aren't big on getting together to beat up Blacks.

What difference does it make, idiot? If someone is targeted because of their race, the age of the attacker/s is irrelevant. Furthermore, name ONE (really, just one) white on black hate crime that has garnered national attention in the last three years. The major national networks(NBC, ABC, CBS) have declared the U.S. to be a "post racial" society, and thus, have stopped reporting hate crimes all together. Ever since Obama, hate crimes are only reported by local news outlets.

Here's a website you might enjoy reading: http://whitewatch.info/

Scroll down to see the story of white youths beating up a native american family. Did that garner national news coverage? I don't think so. There are plenty of similar stories that don't receive national attention.

Why would that influence anyone? People don't stop before committing a crime to think, "how will this make my ethnic/racial group look if it's on the news?" They don't even think they'll get caught.

You're right, criminals don't stop and think about how their actions affect people's perceptions of their race. But, if the media reported black on white crime 24/7 it would probably evoke feelings of guilt among black activists, thereby making them less likely to defend such behavior. That in itsself would result in less racial tension.

Black on white crimes are rarely as prominent or reported on as other interracial crimes. Interracial crimes (Blacks against others) are quite high compared to the other way around and as such you would expect to hear more about it yet that's not the case.

Show me that black on white crimes are not reported as often as other interracial crimes. Again, I'm waiting...

Also, there is a difference between interracial crime and racially motivated crime. The former merely involves people of different races but is not driven by hatred of another race. Indeed, blacks committ more interracial crimes than whites, but committ fewer racially motivated crimes than whites. Look at the statistics.

[CarrieSexy]

Bro, this is your second or third attempt at starting a discussion on the media's alleged racial bias. Thus far, every last thread has been a major flop. You're merely cherry picking from a pool of thousands of articles that document such incidents (meaning racially motivated crime in general, not particularly mob violence). Where I live, the local news media is certainly not afraid of calling hate/racial crimes exactly what they are, regardless of the race of the perpetrator(s).

If you want us to believe that white youths beating up blacks would garner 24/7 news coverage, then show us some evidence. A paper from a media watchdog or research center will do. David Duke? Not so much.

I'm waiting...



I agree.

Moreover, if reporting black on white crimes 24/7 would make such crimes less likely to occur I would welcome the change with open arms. Most everyone would.

I deplore David Duke and his ilk. Your local media may be an exception, but from my observations most of the mainstream media is very selective in what and how they report bias crimes. I came to that conclusion about 20 years ago and I think it has only got worse since then.

[Deribasov]

I find the line between "racially motivated" and "interracial" crime to be somewhat grey.

Example, when local black criminals, or local black or white corrupt cops, rob and extort illegal Mexican immigrants, because they are known to carry cash and won't report the crime, I have heard this described as not being a racist hate crime. They don't hate Mexicans, they just know illegal Mexicans have cash and won't call the cops. WTF? They are deliberately targeting an ethnic group for crime. Ok, whatever. The semantics of this argument are pointless to me.

The moral to the story is forget what the media says, and how activists might react, and worry more about protecting yourself and your own family. That gets handled by me, with assistance from Mikhail Kalashnikov and Gaston Glock, and has little to do with who hates who or anybody feeling guilty about anything. Mamas may be crying afterward, but it won't be out of hate, and there won't be any guilt afterward, legal, emotional, or otherwise.

[tretcheenia]

What do you mean by "that sort of thing"? If you're referring specifically to mob attacks, I would agree, those are quite rare. But run of the mill racially motivated attacks are most commonly committed by whites. Here are some statistics from the FBI:

"In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:
â–*62.4 percent were white.
â–*18.5 percent were black.
â–*7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
â–*1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
â–*0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
â–*10.2 percent were of unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)"

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html

Feel free to look at the documents.

Uh, you do know that the FBI counts most mestizo criminals, among other possible non-whites such as Arabs, as whites don't you ? That pretty much makes the FBI statistics on whites meaningless : especially since there is a lot of tension between blacks and mestizos because they compete for the same low IQ jobs and the Mexicans are pushing the blacks out of the job market. Also there is the religious tensions. Blacks in the U.S.A tend to be Protestant and to a lesser extant Muslim. So violence arising from this tension between blacks and mestizos would not be surprising.

Even taking the dubious FBI statistics into consideration at face value the white population is about 72% (based on the US census statistics which also counts Arabs, among possibly others, as 'white') of the USA and the black population is about 12 or 13% (I read it was exactly 12.6 in 2010 for instance from the census statistics) : that would means adjusted for population size the black ratio of hate crimes would be at 43% percent while the white ratio would be 2%.

Also the police are hesitant to report a black crime as a hate crime. For instance if I walked down the street of some black neighborhood in a ghetto and I was the only white guy around it is very likely I would be targeted for robbery or violence or both simply because I was a white guy in the wrong neighborhood. If I made a police report about it the fact is the vast majority of the times the cops are not going to report it as a hate crime. It would get reported as just another violent crime or robbery.

So your FBI statistics are absolutely meaningless and useless for various reasons.

Also most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

Niggers are low IQ violent criminals incapable of living in first world societies.

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Also I think it is quite obvious that Jews are overrepresented in the media and that the vast majority of Jews, at least in the United States, are liberal and not surprisingly the mass media has a liberal bias so common sense says that Papa Anodyne is right and that you are wrong.

[GalasaKoll]

1. I don't know the success rate of all your threads, just the ones pertaining to "media bias", because you seemingly make a new one every other day.

You said I had made one or two attempts in the past. How does one or two become 'seemingly' every other day? Are you an idiot or do you assume everyone here is an idiot? I can't think of any other possible option for someone who made such a major contradiction.


2. Show me some evidence that you're not cherry picking. Again, a paper from a media watchdog or research center will do! Asserting that the media is silent about race when it's about blacks is not evidence. I don't need to google a watchdog. I just need to look at their policy. We have a columnist from The Chicago Tribune speaking about policy. How about we look at the most prestigious American newspaper?

New York Times, Houston Chronicle explain relevance of race & ethnicity in Cleveland rape coverage

When initial reports about a gang rape in Cleveland, Texas, became public earlier this month, there was hardly any mention of the victim’s or suspects’ race — mainly because reporters covering the story didn’t think it was relevant. Throughout the last two weeks, however, race and ethnicity have become an increasingly important part of the coverage.


“We don’t identify people’s race in most stories, unless that is an issue,� said Tom Kent, deputy managing editor for standards and production at The Associated Press. “Say for example, it’s a story about a hate crime allegation, or you have a situation where there’s a manhunt going on and the police issue a description of the person. We may include the description, but once a person is captured, it probably would not be germane to the story.�

The New York Times has a similar policy. It only includes race if it’s relevant to the story and if that relevance is made clear to the reader. um, does that sound familiar? Sounds like Chapman but it's not Chapman. It's the policy of the NY Times. So when is race relevant? A manhunt and a hate crime but, um, not when a mob of Black teenagers assault Whites or in this case when all the accused are Black. When those 4 White guys from Duke were accused of raping a Black stripper race was apparently news worthy but then again we can always figure out the race of the accused quite easily. Semi-elite universities don't have Black Lacrosse players and Whites don't have large scale gangbang rapes.


What do you mean by "that sort of thing"? If you're referring specifically to mob attacks, I would agree, those are quite rare. Murder is rare as well but that doesn't mean individuals from one group aren't more likely to do it than others.

But run of the mill racially motivated attacks are most commonly committed by whites. Here are some statistics from the FBI:

"In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:
â–*62.4 percent were white.
â–*18.5 percent were black.
â–*7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
â–*1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
â–*0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
â–*10.2 percent were of unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)"

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html

Feel free to look at the documents. Let me break it down for you since you're dumb as shit:

1) Despite the fact Latinos/Hispanics are added to the White category the percentage of people labeled as Whites who commit any type of hate crime is lower than their representation in the population unlike with Blacks where it's much higher.

'White' - population: 72.4% Percentage of hate crime offender are 'White': 62.4%

Black - population: 12.6% Percentage of hate crime offender are Black: 18.5%

2) Look here: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/data/table_07.html

Almost half of hate crimes against Whites are assaults (aggravated and simple), while roughly less than a quarter of assault against Blacks are assaults (same). Now wrap your mind around the reality that Whites (which includes Latinos here) make up 6 times the Black population.

Now the story looks quite different. Blacks become more likely to commit hate crimes than Whites. They are much more likely (more than double) to assault (both aggravated and simple) and just as likely to intimidate a person of another race.

Thanks for the stats. You can now kick yourself for actively taking part in your own ownage.



What difference does it make, idiot? If someone is targeted because of their race, the age of the attacker/s is irrelevant. It's not irrelevant when it's lopsided. It's irrelevant to you because you would like to pretend it's only an issue to terrible racists but a fact is a fact. You know what's terrible? The fact that I'm more likely to die in airplane while sitting next to Tony Danza than a Black woman getting raped by a White. It very rarely happens at all. In fact (there is that word again) we go years without having such an incident. Yet, we have quite a number of Black on White rapes. Since you're so keen on looking at data take a gander at the FBI crime statistics and then tell me it 'doesn't matter." Well, it kind of does matter when it's so lopsided.

Furthermore, name ONE (really, just one) white on black hate crime that has garnered national attention in the last three years. Sean Hannity, on terribly racist Fox News, taking up the Black guy's cause and making his case known across the nation. Millions upon millions of viewers.



The major national networks(NBC, ABC, CBS) have declared the U.S. to be a "post racial" society, and thus, have stopped reporting hate crimes all together. Ever since Obama, hate crimes are only reported by local news outlets. You must not be much of a reader: LA Times reporting on hate crimes against Latinos in Staten Island.

The LA Times, NY Times, Washington Times, Wall Street Journal are major sources of information. In fact (again there is that word) NY Times is the go to news source by everyone in the news industry.

Here's a website you might enjoy reading: http://whitewatch.info/ I've seen it before. It's poorly done.

Scroll down to see the story of white youths beating up a native american family. Did that garner national news coverage? I don't think so. There are plenty of similar stories that don't receive national attention. They didn't beat up a native American family. They beat up the male. That and your own reading comprehension skills is terrible but here is the difference between my articles and the one you mentioned: one involves an individual hate crime and the other involves a mob assaulting people. Individuals get assaulted all the time by one or a small group of people. What doesn't normally happen is a mob of people roaming about the streets beating people because of their race. You also have an unusual trend of Black youths entering stores and stealing as much as they can. It didn't happen once, or twice, and it occurred in different cities. In addition there is an active attempt by journalists to downplay race.



Seriously, the point of this thread is not difficult to understand: race (Black) downplayed when there are incidents (the examples are large scale). How you think that article about the Native American family, and hate crimes in general, counters my point is beyond me since the race of White attackers was not downplayed (and never is when there is a racial incident where they're the aggressors), while initially the race of the mob of teenagers had been and we have a columnist of a major newspaper giving his reason why they hold back the background of attackers, which is also part of the policy of the NY Times (the benchmark of US news).


You're right, criminals don't stop and think about how their actions affect people's perceptions of their race. But, if the media reported black on white crime 24/7 it would probably evoke feelings of guilt among black activists, thereby making them less likely to defend such behavior. That in itself would result in less racial tension. I laughed so hard. As if Black crime is a problem today and not yesterday. They missed their chance many times over the past 40 years.

[education]

I don't see what Anodyne is trying to accomplish and what he is doing is no different than what I see on stormfront when they make thread after thread about some crime that a black or other minority does. When it comes to crime its so heavily ingrained in the minds of Americans that crime is black, our faces get shown on TV so damn much its pathetic. Anodyne seems to think that the damage it does maybe wrong but is necessary.