[HsSp82U8]

All articles about Russia in the Western press are to be taken with a wheelbarrow of salt. It's most likely a gross exaggeration as usual.

[eocavrWM]

All articles about Russia in the Western press are to be taken with a wheelbarrow of salt. It's most likely a gross exaggeration as usual.

And all articles in Russian press are to be taken with a smaller pinch of salt, after all, Russia is neither a journalistically or politically free country.

[DioraMoostebeers]

And all articles in Russian press are to be taken with a smaller pinch of salt, after all, Russia is neither a journalistically or politically free country.

It's still more free than America or Europe.

[putza]

It's still more free than America or Europe.

Maybe in your head, and on Stormcrap.org, but in any study or according to any institute this is not true

Obviously though you have a good filter for such evidence, it immediately becomes 'Jewish', how convenient.

Off topic though.

[hellenmoranov]

Maybe in your head, and on Stormfag.org, but in any study or according to any institute this is not true

Obviously though you have a good filter for such evidence, it immediately becomes 'Jewish', how convenient.

Off topic though.

Who owns the institutes that make the studies? Various lobby/special interest groups. They all have an interest in portraying Russia as some kind of bad example. In reality, outside of what you read in WSJ or NYT, Russia is far more free than America and Europe. This is because Russia doesn't have political correctness. So people can actually say whatever they want without risking reprisals from the Jewish controled media.

[TypeTeasiaDer]

Anyway, digression, not relevant here.

True, so I'll keep my response short & sweet.

True, but everyone should have the chance to work hard and reap the rewards, and as it stands, you have a minority of schemers holding the majority of wealth and power (including political power), paying almost zero tax rates through clever accounting techniques meanwhile recieving subsidies, grants, licenses, funds and bailouts when they need them-while the working shmuck pays tax every time without option and gets less and less for it every year.

Yes, but drug companies don't come under the umbrella of 'large scale scroungers' (e.g. banks). Drug companies take tens of billions of dollars and develop a new treatment, they want adequate remuneration for doing so, those researchers want bigger and bigger paycheques (and who doesn't?), the shareholders want dividends if the companies' market value is to remain high (giving them better access to credit markets and thereby increasing their opportunities to improve on treatments). Big pharma are not the scumbags people think they are.

In fact, I'm an AstraZeneca shareholder, so I may be slightly biased.

I don't believe in equality, nature doesn't allow us to be equal and no one is equal, I believe in fairness and equal oppurtunities and equality under the law, and democracy, all of these values are being eroded slowely but surely.

Fairness is subjective, and equality under the law is immaterial (beyond the rule of law applying to everyone). "The government cannot make us equal", as U.S. Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas famously said in deciding an affirmative action case, for the record Thomas is African-American.

Equality of opportunity will not be a reality outside of a Marxist society. For example, I got an easier start to life than a lot of people (private school, loving parents etc) but it's nothing compared to what many other people get (am I one of the advantaged few or an average Joe?- that depends on which you are). The ovarian lottery, as Warren Buffett mocking calls inherited wealth, is not a problem- you just have to live with the hand you're dealt.

We can continue this debate elsewhere if you like, but as you say this isn't really the correct thread for it.

[wonceinee]

The active component is codeine, a widely sold over-the-counter painkiller that is not toxic on its own. But to produce krokodil, whose medical name is desomorphine, addicts mix it with ingredients including gasoline, paint thinner, hydrochloric acid, iodine and red phosphorous, which they scrape from the striking pads on matchboxes. I Why the hell would they do that?

Seems like it's not the codeine, a well tried and tested prescription drug, which is the culprit, but all the other stuff. Why would they mix those things into it?

This reminds me of something that happened recently here. We could buy dextromethorphan as cough medicine both in pill and liquid form. Someone started cutting MDMA pills with this stuff, and allegedly some people died (I doubt very much that the deaths had anything whatsoever to do with the dextromethorphan). This was reported by our sensationalist press, and because our politicians are complete retards, they decided to ban the drug !

The result is that now we have to use diphenhydramine as cough medicine, and it has all kinds of nasty side effects, as an antihistamine, and it's especially incompatible with certain other drugs. Quit a step back from the relatively benign dextromethorphan. And it can be used as a recreational drug too, if one desires to do so. Heck, I could go to my physician and get a prescription for opium cough medicine, if I just say I have a nasty cough. So what's the point?

This seems like this, accusing a relatively harmless drug, when it's cut with all kinds of nasty shit. I just can't imagine why they do it? I actually could easily believe that Mary is right in this case.

[Thomaswhitee]

Fact, it sounds a bit off, lighter liquid and matches' tips and all dirt to increase high? I wonder has anyone check it. Does it increas the high indeed? What if one used it without the "drug"?
Usually drugs are considered better if the purest possible form, here is the opposite.


ps to the discussion of equalities- my 3 cents. Noone realistic would question sense of inequalities- as a motivator. The problem is the scale of inequalities (debatable) but the main issue (non-debatable) is level of petrification of the social structure- real and perceived ability to travel up and down of the income scale. and dynamics of the social structure. Thats both the motivating factor and the fair-play factor.

ITs just simple psychology- two questions- is the target achievable at all and if so, how are stakes. What to loose, what to win etc. In middle class based economy, the stakes are medium and the chances medium. In wild free-market market economy stakes are big but chances small. In petrified feudal structure there are no bets even, no tickets in the shop
What motivates people best- it is the question- a big chance to win a small reward or a small chance to win a big reward???

[fd8IIys2]

Normally I'd read the article and think, "Hmm. Terrible," and then go onto reading the next thing. For some reason, though, this story really got to me. To think that there are people who want to kill their internal pain or numb themselves so badly that they'd suffer this kind of consequence.

[wentscat]

Normally I'd read the article and think, "Hmm. Terrible," and then go onto reading the next thing. For some reason, though, this story really got to me. To think that there are people who want to kill their pain or numb themselves so badly that they'd suffer this kind of consequence.

Hmm, there is another aspect.
Junkie wants a relief. It must give a real high to be able to functon with falling off limbs.

[M1zdL0hh]

Hmm, there is another aspect.
Junkie wants a relief. It must give a real high to be able to functon with falling off limbs.

Yeah I guess there's that stage where it just becomes a cycle. I saw an interesting documentary about a heroin addict who filmed his last few months, that was pretty brutal. He was injecting heroin through his groin because all his other veins had shriveled up. He ended up going to rehab and died of a brain hemorrhage caused by the withdrawal. That really is a dark place.

[JANALA]

Russia is a very very grey country. All the rich there live in London or Miami. They steal their people's money and get the fuck out.

Thanks god in Turkey our bastards even after stealing a lot stay in the country so they have to invest back Russia will lose a lot of population and will not end up in such a good place. There is no long term view there nor real allegiance to the land.

[trorseIrripsy]

There's a wiki entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desomorphine

Apparently, as I understand it, they can get a higher high without respiratory problems (as associated with heroin, for example, which basically means an overdose=death)

Apparently the chemicals is used in a home brew formula, and codeine is just one of the reagents. So, the case is even more similar to the one I described, with the possible resulting ban of codeine (which is illegal here).

Except this is far worse, since it's injected directly, ugh. Still, I could imagine that the case is exaggerated, especially how widespread the use is. It doesn't sound like a party drug to me, more like something an already junkie would use.

[netamargr]

Ok all clear now, I missed that bit before- it is a "home made" proper chemical reaction to get desomorphine.
ne opiate changed into another. ('The traditional synthesis of desomorphine starts from α-chlorocodide, which is itself obtained by reacting thionyl chloride with codeine. By catalytic reduction, α-chlorocodide gives dihydrodesoxycodeine, which yields desomorphine on demethylation.')
I thought its maybe a few "highs" altogether. Disgusting, I agree its pobably people seriously addicted and indifferent who must take it.

Guitarists of red hot John Frusciante once deprived himself of nearly everything and got really ill and destroyed, but it was heroin. I think in case of heroin what destroys you are side effects, not the drug itself- its not eating, not sleeping etc, in case of krokodile its the substance itself who has this destroying potential.

[crazuMovies]

Sounds like a little hysteria to me. I read about this drug 6 years ago, seen some graphic films about it, they wrote that (6 yr ago) crocodile is now available in Sweden in Norway. Available in Russia, Sweden , Norway six years ago I live in country which is relatively close to Russia and never heard about anybody who heard about anybody who used it etc.

I think that also if something would be 1000 stronger than heroine, it would chop your head immidietely, fairytale

Still I think most posters believe that hole Russia is like this

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[Cydayshosse]

I dont think whole Russia is like this, I deeply believe that most Russians are pretty conervative and much prefer C2H5OH
These kind of drugs are for desperados. Maybe Russia has more desperados or maybe the society does not get excited about it. Russian history is somehow tragic, Stalin famously said "One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic". Maybe thats why it excites the west more than average Russians?
Im just speculating.

[HarryMet]

Free market is always right apparently. Capitalism baby, fuck regulation, if some rich assholes want to make money off kids using amazingly dangerous drugs, let'em.

If it is was a free market they'd be able to buy heroin of guaranteed strength and purity, are you some kind of socialist?

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And Canada has the welfare-state, which is an anti-free market concept.

No, it's a market economy with a certain level of redistributive taxation as is common in all civilised countries.

[MedicineForUs]

No, it's a market economy with a certain level of redistributive taxation as is common in all civilised countries.

So it is about as Capitalist as China is communist? Yet Capitalism is allowed to mutate and reform while communism is only considered communism in the form of Stalinism? Anything else is considered Communism 'reforming', am I mistaken?

[DariushPetresku]

So it is about as Capitalist as China is communist? Yet Capitalism is allowed to mutate and reform while communism is only considered communism in the form of Stalinism? Anything else is considered Communism 'reforming', am I mistaken?

Could you rephrase that?

[sztc38tg]

Could you rephrase that?

It is a market economy that redistributes money acquired from the people for the welfare of the people. That is far from capitalism, I believe.