[embefuri]

Lots of people of Catholic Latin American and other banana nations seem to be very supersticiously catholic. I wonder if some of the values of this religion can induce a sense of underdeveloping, backwardness and under-development in the countries that practice it? Catholicism was imposed as a sense of degradation in the native nations of the Americas and I believe it would be good for everyone to revocate them.

I've heard Puerto Ricans and Filipinos (which are frivolously catholic) accept enough race mixing with black and zambo races which I don't find acceptable. I believe Chile is atheistic enough, and people think bettern than themselves to know better than to mix with underdeveloped, dumb races. Same for other countries like Paraguay, or Mexico which retain religious beliefs to an extent. Catholicism promotes rate mixing through equality and telling us all other "human beings" are the same.

What do you think about Catholicism?

[NKUDirectory]

You're not Chilean. You're Mexican. Get over it.

[goldcigarettes]

Sicilians don't mix. 99% of the people in Sicily are native.

Many move abroad to find work and then come home. Notice that they do not marry abroad and then bring their new families home. They marry at home.

We are perhaps the most Catholic people in Europe, and certainly the most religious in Italy.

[kictainiSot]

I wonder if some of the values of this religion can induce a sense of underdeveloping, backwardness and under-development in the countries that practice it?

All religions do that. I'd say it's the poorest and uneducated people of Latin America the more religious. Middle to Upper classes don't believe in that stuff for a second, except the fanatics of the Opus Dei (and actually I suspect not even they believe that crap, they only do it for the money).

[DoctorNelsonOnten]

You're not Chilean. You're Mexican. Get over it.

Go to hell if you don't have anything to contribute to my threads, cuico.

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All religions do that. I'd say it's the poorest and uneducated people of Latin America the more religious. Middle to Upper classes don't believe in that stuff for a second, except the fanatics of the Opus Dei (and actually I suspect not even they believe that crap, they only do it for the money).

I'm of the belief the more religious the person is, the lower his IQ should be. Fairytales are not for intelligent people. A person with a fully functioning brain should have to take decisions for himself.

[Habalinnyf]

The Catholic Church is bound to lose influence as the populace become more and more educated. That has been the trend almost everywhere. Agnosticism, atheism, Protestantism, and other alternative spiritualities are on the rise, whether it be Santeria, Asatru, Scientology, the Hare Krishnas or whatever. Some indigenous Mexican communities dissatisfied with Catholicism have actually converted to Islam. Hell, apparently there's even Mexican Sikhs now.

I am agnosto-atheist personally and I do think the Church has hindered Latin America progress more than once in order to protect its interests. However, I'm all about allowing freedom of thought and creed and would never advocate any measures seeking to prohibit religious expression as long as it does not trespass the rights of others. If the thought of a sky daddy looking after them gives them comfort then so be it. Let them draw their own conclusions.

[dupratac]

Lots of people of Catholic Latin American and other banana nations seem to be very supersticiously catholic. I wonder if some of the values of this religion can induce a sense of underdeveloping, backwardness and under-development in the countries that practice it? Catholicism was imposed as a sense of degradation in the native nations of the Americas and I believe it would be good for everyone to revocate them.

I've heard Puerto Ricans and Filipinos (which are frivolously catholic) accept enough race mixing with black and zambo races which I don't find acceptable. I believe Chile is atheistic enough, and people think bettern than themselves to know better than to mix with underdeveloped, dumb races. Same for other countries like Paraguay, or Mexico which retain religious beliefs to an extent. Catholicism promotes rate mixing through equality and telling us all other "human beings" are the same.

What do you think about Catholicism?

Dear lord... what do you think about believing that all the variation of this world came from random chance mutations that just happened to be in the right place and just happened to have a selection pressure to initiate their survival at just the right time? Atheism is a religion too you know, you believe that there is no God. Evolution is a theory which is not prooven yet by science and has countless flaws and holes. Science and religion compliment each other and are not a detriment to each other so again please enough with the ignorance.


Furthermore any type of faith should have NO effect on a country's well being. At the time of the cold war, democratic nations were largely practicing Christians while communists were largely atheist. Guess which ideology and mindset became known as the norm/''western''?

[ARKLqAZ6]

I'm of the belief the more religious the person is, the lower his IQ should be. Fairytales are not for intelligent people. A person with a fully functioning brain should have to take decisions for himself.

I think the same.

[Bounce]

I wonder if some of the values of this religion can induce a sense of underdeveloping, backwardness and under-development in the countries that practice it?

Yes.

What do you think about Catholicism? Not good for your mental health. Belongs to same category as islam ( = insanity ).

[ethigSmimbine]

Yes.



Not good for your mental health. Belongs to same category as islam ( = insanity ).

I agree. As a rule of thumb the more Catholic a nation is in Latin America = the more backward, crime ridden, corrupt, ignorant.

The most Catholic places are the Caribbean, Paraguay (even if its ironic from a historic point of view), Northern brazil, and to some extent the Andean countries.

[Diortarkivoff]

The direct equation of religiousness and stupidity is fallacious.

Lower-income people are less worldly, and therefore are generally more religious.

lower-income people are less educated, therefore they do not perform as well with intelligence testing.

So while less educated people tend to be more religious, it's not because they're religious that they're less intelligent. They're both symptoms of the same root cause: poverty.

[cinggooft]

Dear lord... what do you think about believing that all the variation of this world came from random chance mutations that just happened to be in the right place and just happened to have a selection pressure to initiate their survival at just the right time? Atheism is a religion too you know, you believe that there is no God. Evolution is a theory which is not prooven yet by science and has countless flaws and holes. Science and religion compliment each other and are not a detriment to each other so again please enough with the ignorance.


Furthermore any type of faith should have NO effect on a country's well being. At the time of the cold war, democratic nations were largely practicing Christians while communists were largely atheist. Guess which ideology and mindset became known as the norm/''western''?

All those who don't believe in other gods have to add new religions to their belief system? If you don't believe in unicorns or gnomes, are you anti-gnomes/unicorns religious? Don't you think that if I say that yesterday I was drinking a cup of tea in Ganimedes with mr. Spock I'd have to be the one to proove the assertion in order to gain credit? Would the non-possibilty of empiricaly demonstrating that I'm wrong give me a chance to create a religion with gods and rytes as good as yours? Would you become one of my disciples?

[affozyBoomi]

I agree. As a rule of thumb the more Catholic a nation is in Latin America = the more backward, crime ridden, corrupt, ignorant.

The most Catholic places are the Caribbean, Paraguay (even if its ironic from a historic point of view), Northern brazil, and to some extent the Andean countries.

You can see the same correlation at Europe. Italy is perfect example. More Catholic = more f*cked up. Least Catholic nations are the most succesful ones.

[Ikhqgvas]

You can see the same correlation at Europe. Italy is perfect example. More Catholic = more f*cked up. Least Catholic nations are the most succesful ones.

Ireland in the 1990s anyone?

Belgium's situation isn't because of Catholicism. It's because it's an artificial state without a true majority ethnic group.

Italy is chaotic because it is Italy. Greece and Italy are brothers, and Greece is not Catholic yet their societies are very similar.

[poulaMahmah]

The initial question is a bit weird, suggesting that catholic faith is the only thing ancouragign people to mix. First I dont think catholicism really do this, second I dont think being non-catholic prevents that.
I always thought that it is this "eurofaggot" thinking that promotes multiculti?
I mean, its non-religious lefties who promote multiculturalism, not the religious right.

[blackjackiisre]

You can see the same correlation at Europe. Italy is perfect example. More Catholic = more f*cked up. Least Catholic nations are the most succesful ones.

With the exception of Holland, Switzerland and partialy Germany (the catholic regions are the richest along with Hamburgo, wich is the least religious), the rest of the countries are peripherical and low populated (UK is special, anglicanism is very similar to catholicism). Scando countries are recent sucsessful (Norway was the poorest country till petrol appeared...), and I don't think religion has something to say about it.

It's all about stability, resources and lack of continuous convulsory epysodes.

[JosephNF]

With the exception of Holland

There is strong protestant influence at Netherlands (over 2 million members).

, Switzerland Calvinists run the country

and partialy German Half of Germans are Lutherans

All your examples are countries where the protestant churches have had tremendous influence in society. Look at the pure Catholic countries. Italy, Spain, Portugal etc. These all are massive underperformers. Italy is so corrupted that it's allready a joke.

Obviously secularism has benefitted these countries so that they are not complete failures. Catholic church = corruption of spirit. What else can you say about church that forgives your sins for money (indulgence). All your sins are forgiven my son, now give me five €'s

Compare fx Finland and Portugal. Even the poorest peasents knew how to read and write in Finland allready in 1700's. One of the basic principles of Lutheranism is to know how to read bible with your own language, so people were infact coerced to learn read/write, you could not get married if you didnt have certificate of this skill.

Not everyone at Portugal can read/write EVEN TODAY. This certainly is due the stagnant religiously backwards Catholicism.

[tinamasak]

There is strong protestant influence at Netherlands (over 2 million members).



Calvinists run the country



Half of Germans are Lutherans

All your examples are countries where the protestant churches have had tremendous influence in society. Look at the pure Catholic countries. Italy, Spain, Portugal etc. These all are massive underperformers. Italy is so corrupted that it's allready a joke.

Obviously secularism has benefitted these countries so that they are not complete failures. Catholic church = corruption of spirit. What else can you say about church that forgives your sins for money (indulgence). All your sins are forgiven my son, now give me five €'s

Compare fx Finland and Portugal. Even the poorest peasents knew how to read and write in Finland allready in 1700's. One of the basic principles of Lutheranism is to know how to read bible with your own language, so people were infact coerced to learn read/write, you could not get married if you didnt have certificate of this skill.

Not everyone at Portugal can read/write EVEN TODAY. This certainly is due the stagnant religiously backwards Catholicism.

The countries I quoted -I've explained myself wrongly- are mostly protestant (Germany 1/3 protestant, 1/3 catholic, 1/3 don't give a fuck)

I'm an atheist and very critical with the historical role of the Church in the world, but I think it's wrong to assignate it a substantial role in the last centuries' developments. Compare the history of Spain with the history of Finland (two last centuries). Spain has been involved in a lot of civil wars and social conflicts, has a relatively lack of natural resources and an important population.

Protestant countries are a low populated tiny minority in the periphery of a dense populated catholic/orthodox continent. In the 1700's -no matter if they could read the Bible- were underdeveloped when compared to other countries (except partialy Germany, Switerland and Holland) The Illustration that lead Europe to important political and economical changes took place in a catholic country...

Both catholic and luteran "churches" have been against secularism till nowadays, if we'd to link prosperity to religion we should do it in relation to the non-excessive importance conferred to it.

[blogwado]

Protestant countries are a low populated tiny minority in the periphery of a dense populated catholic/orthodox continent.

Indeed. And look what kind of miracles these countries have done after getting rid of the corrupting influence of Rome's Church.

[inmeirulez]

It's easier for a smaller country to improve economically.

Ireland, the Baltics, etc.

Catholic Austria has a higher GDP per capita than mixed Germany, Catholic Lithuania higher than Protestant Latvia, Catholic Ireland higher than Protestant UK, etc.

That doesn't mean Catholicism makes them successful, of course. It just means they're right.