[w3QHxwNb]

The following account is an interesting read on the Afghanistan of the 50's and 60's, and what one immediately notices is how it starkly contrasts with the Afghanistan of today. That said, this is stating the obvious. The pictures are in my opinion partially reminiscent, or at least one is reminded of the Pahalvi dynasty's Iran, prior to the advent of revolution and Ayatollah Khomeini. The women are dressed in elegant skirts and dresses which, while being fashionable, are also respectable and modest in their countenance, as in the sort that doesn't attract too much attention. Many of the women are also strikingly beautiful, especially this woman reminds me of many a old-time Bollywood actresses like Jaya Bhaduri and Hema Malini. The degeneration of Afghan society from being a healthy, liberal and progressive people to being engulfed and caught in the fallacies of religious extremism and constructed orthodoxy just goes to show how religious fascism, be it Islamic-extremism or not is an essentially anemic phenomenon that is a hindrance to progression, and in general, happy living. This religious extremism is also hypocritical since customs such as the Bacha Bazi - a highly backward practice in which young boys are sold to and kept by male Pashtun patrons — often powerful warlords, former military commanders, and wealthy businessmen — for entertainment at private gatherings, for use as sexual objects, and as a sign of prestige at that, are very much prevalent. I am sure it is not Allah's will to abduct or "buy" orphaned, homeless, and underprivileged boys from their families to satisfy their own bizarre homosexual fetishes. It is truly a pity that they went from what is illustrated in the album, to a society that cuts of a woman's fingers because she accidentally touched a man, that too only because she reached out to the man to stop herself from falling*. Women like these (and also [1][2]) seem to be a far-cry from the desolate and dreary expressions that Afghan women like Sharbat Gula and Aisha, who was subject to an absolutely sadistic punishment by the Taliban, sport today.

*In rural south Afghanistan a woman took her son out to get medicines. Wearing the traditional powder-blue burqa, she tripped (unpaved roads) and reached out to stop herself from falling. She accidentally touched a male passerby. She apologized immediately, withdrew her hand, steadied herself and went on her way. The young son tattled on her once home. Her male relatives cut off her fingers to set an example.

The pictures I was referring to above can be found on an album on Facebook, along with the excerpt that follows. You have to have an account for you to be able to login and see it since the permissions are set to everyone.

The Afghanistan that my parents lived in, were Kabul was once called the Paris of central Asia. Once the jewel of Asia, a very progressive and moderately modern country. Kabul once had, cinemas, cafes, formal French gardens, schools, libraries, universities, fine boutiques. Where both women and men had access to education and a better future. A country were women were granted the right to vote in 1963! In many of these pictures is not the clothing nor the style of their clothing that make the women then "liberated" but the fact that those women were able to choose and decipher for themselves what they thought was appropriate to wear. The very fact that they were in a class room to further their education, is what I am proud of most. In Islam, education it is not only stressed but is an obligation, for both women and men. Women are not only our other half of society but they are our mothers, sisters, aunts, and perhaps most importantly our first teachers.True liberation is only possible through education. How is it possible that Kabul went from these photos to the mess that is Kabul and Afghanistan today? I would never blame Islam. I blame lack of education and foreign interference, Afghanistan being a product of the cold war paid the heaviest price.

The Afghanistan that once existed, was the Afghanistan my family experienced. They were highly educated, modern, progressive and cosmopolitan people. My mom and her sisters attended primary school, high school and attended university. Classmates wore mini-jupes, went to the cinemas, went to sporting events, shopped at boutiques, and picnicked at Paghman the city of gardens every Friday near the formal french gardens.

Highly educated, culturally aware and yet religious at the same time, there was never an issue with not having your hair covered or the clothes you wore. Some have described my parents Afghanistan as very "western", but I don't choose to call it that, I describe it as a highly modern and progressive society that flourished. Freedom, equality, and education are not western but in fact universal themes. This progressive peaceful society lasted until foreign interference occurred in the late 1970's plummeting the country to what Afghanistan has become today. Now the question is — to what extent do you agree with and can attest to the author/album owner's assertion that this progressive peaceful society lasted until foreign interference occurred in the late 1970's plummeting the country to what Afghanistan has become today?

[xkQCaS4w]

I blame Russians and Americans for this. There would never have been religious extremists and misery without them.

[KojlinMakolvin]

Now the question is — to what extent do you agree with and can attest to the author/album owner's assertion that this progressive peaceful society lasted until foreign interference occurred in the late 1970's plummeting the country to what Afghanistan has become today?

Nietzsche said that the future has the same effect as the past in our present.

i am not aware of what made afganistan... afganistan.
but for sure if the afgans wanted to have a different future, they would try to have a different future.

[ExelePlavisseu]

Sorry, but I call bs on the finger cutting. She must have done something more than that to get her fingers cut off. But I thank you for the idea, seems like a good punishment.

God was not with the liberals, progressives and egalitarians. God is with the Taliban. It is a warning to those who want to spread atheism and liberal democracy.

[Unlopssesuj]

Sorry, but I call bs on the finger cutting. She must have done something more than that to get her fingers cut off. But I thank you for the idea, seems like a good punishment.

God was not with the liberals, progressives and egalitarians. God is with the Taliban. It is a warning to those who want to spread atheism and liberal democracy.

God supports Muslims? So wierd.

[soSldI4i]

God supports Muslims? So wierd.

They acted according to their national destiny. When people do that, God is with them even if they are Muslims.

But there are examples of the opposite as well, since you mention Muslims. Look at Bosnia.

[ehib8yPc]

They acted according to their national destiny. When people do that, God is with them even if they are Muslims.

But there are examples of the opposite as well, since you mention Muslims. Look at Bosnia.

What national destiny are you talking about?
Christianism is a Middle Eastern Religion and before Islam
the whole MENA was mostly christian...

[fluoxet]

Sorry, but I call bs on the finger cutting. She must have done something more than that to get her fingers cut off. But I thank you for the idea, seems like a good punishment.

God was not with the liberals, progressives and egalitarians. God is with the Taliban. It is a warning to those who want to spread atheism and liberal democracy.

It wasn't God, it was CIA

[KukkoDrukko]

Batcheh-baazi is not restricted to the Pashtuns of Afghanistan. Tajik Afghans (i.e. Persian/Dari speakers) also participate in that backward practice*, where young boys are dressed as females and dance for the pleasure of the older men.

The Badakhshan province of Afghanistan (borders Tajikistan) is renowned for its' "beautiful boys".

* That being said, Afghan Pashtuns specifically have picked up the reputation for sexual deviance. Though Fox News is a biased source, I have read through the study in question previously and can vouch for the Fox article's accuracy in this instance.

[golozhopik]

What national destiny are you talking about?
Christianism is a Middle Eastern Religion and before Islam
the whole MENA was mostly christian...

In the case of the Pashtuns, Talibanism is the expression of their national spirit. Just like McDonald's, Coca Cola and muscle cars is the expression of the American national spirit. A Pashtun that tries to introduce McDonald's-culture in Afghanistan will be as successful as someone who tries to introduce radical Islam in America.

Christianity in the Middle East would remain insignificant as long as Christians remain distant from God.

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It wasn't God, it was CIA

It would have happened regardless of CIA involvement. Look at Iran for example.

[asSexate]

In the case of the Pashtuns, Talibanism is the expression of their national spirit. Just like McDonald's, Coca Cola and muscle cars is the expression of the American national spirit. A Pashtun that tries to introduce McDonald's-culture in Afghanistan will be as successful as someone who tries to introduce radical Islam in America.

Christianity in the Middle East would remain insignificant as long as Christians remain distant from God.

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It would have happened regardless of CIA involvement. Look at Iran for example.

then If I convert to Christianism I wouldn't be betraying my national destiny cause my ancetors converted to Christianism before yours,no?

[wmirkru]

then If I convert to Christianism I wouldn't be betraying my national destiny cause my ancetors converted to Christianism before yours,no?

Um... I dunno. You know your national destiny better than I do.