[Borrinas]

he is not Jewish.



Moscow would burn if Putin put a Jew in office.

Then again...well



There was a reason Jews were so quick to leave.

Well by Jewish law I guess he is a Jew, his father is Russian.


But he said he is actually of Armenian ancestry:


LOL Russians call Armenians "blacks" (cherny) haha


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...ohn-derbyshire

Man that dude surely doesn't look 100% Armenian, I don't believe that, he is a Jew. haha

Fine..crypto-jew, then--for SURE! A Russian being baptized at 23 is a dead giveaway--doesn't happen unless you are born of another faith! Of course he wants to downplay his jooness but he is a joo born of a jewish mother. I am surprised you buy all the dissuasion.

[kaysions]

In general I don't like the discussions about the Slavic or Polish anti-semitism as they may create the impression that it is the same phenomenon as exterminatory ideas of Germans.

It has not occured to me that Slavs are anti-Jewish either. The Slavs i have met appear the opposite. I have known Poles whose ancestors have suffered at the hands of Nazism.

I don't think that suffering of the hand of Nazism and antisemitism exclude each other:

PROTEST

In the Warsaw Ghetto, behind walls separating it from the outside world, several hundred thousand condemned are awaiting death. There is no hope for any rescue, no help comes. Streets are patrolled by executioners, who fire at anyone who dares to leave his house. They also fire at anyone standing by the windows. On pavements rot unburied human corpses.

Daily shipments as ordered by the authorities are set at 8-10 thousand of victims. Jewish policemen are ordered to deliver them into the hands of German executioners. If they fail, they will be killed. Children unable to walk by themselves are loaded on wagons. The loading process is so cruel, that only a small number of them reaches the railway platform alive. Mothers seeing it go insane. The number of the insane from despair and horror equals the number of the shot-down.

There are railcars waiting at the platform. The executioners are forcibly packing over 150 captives in each one. Thick layers of lime and chlorine are put on the floor of railcars and splashed with water. The doors of the railcar are securely bolted. Trains sometimes start immediately after the load, however sometimes wait one or two days on the side rail... No one cares. Of the people packed so densely that the dead cannot fall down and are standing arm to arm with the living, of the people dying of the lime and chlorine gases, without air, a drop of water, without food - noone will survive. These death-trains, whenever and wherever they arrive will bring only dead bodies.

Confronted with such suffering, quick death seems preferable. The executioners have foreseen it. All the drugstores in the ghetto have been closed, to prevent buying of poison. There are no guns. The only solution is to jump down out of the window to the street. Thus many convicts choose to "escape" their executioners in this way.

What happens in the Warsaw Ghetto, has been happening for half a year in hundreds of smaller or larger Polish towns and cities. The total number of murdered has already exceeded one million and the number grows each day. All perish. Poor and rich, old, women, men, youngsters, infants, Catholics dying with the name of Jesus and Mary together with Jews. Their only guilt is that they were born Jewish condemned to extermination by Hitler.

The world is looking at these atrocities, the most horrible throughout the whole history of mankind, and is silent. Slaughter of the millions of people continues in ominous silence. The executioners are silent, they do not boast about their deeds. England is silent, so is America, even the international Jewry is silent, usually so sensitive to all harm to their people. Silent are Poles. Polish political friends of Jews limit themselves to journalistic notes, Polish opponents of Jews show no interest in a matter that is alien to them. Dying Jews are surrounded only by Pilates washing their hands. Silence shouldn't be tolerated anymore. If for no other reason -- it is contemptible. Those who are silent in the face of murder - become partners of the killer. Those who do not condemn - approve.

We Catholic Poles, take a stance. Our feelings toward Jews have not changed. We do not stop thinking about them as political, economic and ideological enemies of Poland. Moreover we do realize, that they still hate us more than Germans, that they make us co-responsible for their misfortune. Why? On what basis? It remains the secret of the Jewish soul. Nevertheless, that is a fact that is continuously confirmed. Awareness of those feelings, doesn't relieve us from the duty to condemn the crime.

We don't want to be Pilates. We have no power to actively prevent German murders, we cannot help, we cannot save anyone, but we protest from the bottom of our hearts overwhelmed with mercy, fury and horror. We are required by God to protest. God who forbids us to kill. We are required by out Christian consciousness. Every human being has the right to be loved by his fellowmen. Blood of the defenceless cries to heaven for revenge. Those who oppose our protest - are not Catholics.

Being Polish, we also protest. We do not believe that Poland can benefit from German cruelties. On the contrary. The continuing silence of the international Jewry, the German propaganda that tries, even now, to put the blame for the slaughter of Jews on Lithuanians and... Poles, we sense a plot of the enemy against us. We also know how poisoned is the fruit of the crime. The role of forced observer in the bloody spectacle taking place on the Polish soil, might promote immunity to pain and suffering and what is the most important, conviction that to murder your neighbour without any punishment is permisssible.

Those who do not understand it and want to connect the proud and free future of Poland, with contentment of grief of fellowmen, is neither a Catholic nor a Pole.

Front of National Rebirth of Poland

http://www.answers.com/topic/protest...ce-translation

[Heacechig]

Most Europeans used to be anti-semitic but as French writer Bernanos - an anti-semite himself prior to WW2 - said "Hitler brought disgrace on anti-semitism". Anti-semitism used to be a strong Christian feeling with deep roots in European psyche : hatred for apatrids, for the nomadic ones, a dislike for cosmopolitism, suspicion towards the "Orient", taboo about money (in catholic countries) and above all the love for homogeneity and the community. My own family was rather anti-semitic and some family members still exhibit a silent hatred for the Jews, albeit under an old-fashioned "socialist" form : it's about denouncing economic collusion in the higher classes.

Such feelings are not socially acceptable these days in Western Europe. Two reasons IMO : WW2 really was a trauma for our elite and most Europeans don't know who the Jews are anymore, as they lack formal religious education. The main consequence of WW2 is that the Jewish population somehow has vanished from European minds. They don't exist anymore : the figure of the "Jew" is no more.

I cannot speak for Eastern Europe but it's probable that pan-European anti-semitic feelings still can be moderately expressed because of political divergences after WW2 between the two Europes. But blaming Eastern Europeans and the Slavs for feelings shared throughout the Christian world would be ridiculous.

[Glipseagrilia]

Every Slav I have ever talked to about this (and there have been a few, Russian, Ukrainians, Poles, Serbians) are all very very anti-Semitic, and almost seem proud of the elaborate ridiculous conspiracy theories they can come up with, as if it is a mark of intelligence to be able to do so (the more complex the better). Many of them (especially Russians) seem to think 'The Jews" are out to destroy "The Slavs, The Orthodox, etc". I find this interesting because before the 18th century, it seems the most tolerate place in Europe for Jews was Poland (although it was not that tolerant)...today Western Europe is pretty good for Jews (maybe not as good as the U.S., outside of the UK) but Eastern European is terrible.

What's the deal?

only a retarded american wouldn't notice USA has 90 % jews in the government and finances . If that's not a conspiracy I don't know what it is.

europeans have dealt for centuries and millenia with jews that's why they're so "antisemitic" they know how they operate you fucking retarded.

slavs are all christians and more conservatory which means less prone to the media brainwash and propaganda in victimisating the jews, in contrast to the westerners .....

[IRMartin]

Moscow would burn if Putin put a Jew in office.

Interestingly enough, the first Politburo had a substantial Jewish presence and the Cheka was practically founded solely by Jews. After Stalin started cracking down on old Bolsheviks the mood gradually became anti-Jewish and in the seventies the KGB zaw 'Zionist conspiracies' everywhere, fueled by the refuseniks' desire to emigrate to Israel.

Anyway, the other extreme as embodied by American 'conservatism', where you have to worship the apartheid state of Israel, is almost just as bad. I'm not prepared to give Jews special treatment, whether negative or positive. If they have no desire to assimilate into their host country, they should leave, just like all other non-native minorities, and the world should hold Israel by the same standards it held South Africa a few decades earlier.

[Niobaralegra]

In general I don't like the discussions about the Slavic or Polish anti-semitism as they may create the impression that it is the same phenomenon as exterminatory ideas of Germans.



I don't think that suffering of the hand of Nazism and antisemitism exclude each other:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zofia_Kossak-Szczucka




http://www.answers.com/topic/protest...ce-translation

That article was kind of bullshit, because when Jews returned to Poland after WWII they were slaughtered BY POLES, NOT GERMANS. And there had been polgrams in Poland before WWII by Poles, just not as common as it was in other areas of Europe.

only a retarded american wouldn't notice USA has 90 % jews in the government and finances . If that's not a conspiracy I don't know what it is.

europeans have dealt for centuries and millenia with jews that's why they're so "antisemitic" they know how they operate you fucking retarded.

slavs are all christians and more conservatory which means less prone to the media brainwash and propaganda in victimisating the jews, in contrast to the westerners .....

You have no clue what you are talking about.


Most people who work in the financial industry are WASP.

Please show me proof that most people who work in the banking/financial industry are Jewish.

Also, most government officials are definitely not Jewish. Sure Jews are overrepresented, but most of them are not Jewish. Please name the Jews in Obama's cabinet.

Please name the Jews who run Congress and the Senate. Right now in the Congress there are actually more powerful black chairs of committees than Jewish.

If you can prove your rant, I will listen to it, however I think you are just talking shit.

[XarokLasa]

And there had been polgrams in Poland before WWII by Poles(...)

Give us examples, please.

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Germans did not do that.

Of course not. Soviets did:

The Kielce pogrom has been a difficult subject in Polish history for many years, and there is still confusion over whom to blame. While it is beyond doubt that a mob (consisting of some gentile inhabitants of Kielce including members of the communist militsiya police and army), carried out the pogrom, there has been considerable controversy over possible outside inspiration for the events. The hypothesis that the event was provoked, or inspired, by Soviet intelligence has been put forward, and a number of similar scenarios are offered. None has been proven true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_...et_provocation

Showing to the world that Poles are murdering the Jews was one of the main objective of the Soviet - and Zionists we could add - propaganda machine.

[FjFHQLJQ]

The extent in which Jews were money lenders is often exaggerated and not to mention, people forget that many Jews were at various times excluded from many professions. Many Jews were also physicians, lawyers, school teachers, dentists, etc.

Not Ashkenazi Jews in the Middle Ages or even up to the late 18th or early 19th century. You're speaking of the last two centuries when there was a lack of restrictions for Ashkenazi Jews.


They were quite renowned to fill in career gaps. You cannot compare the Jews in Europe and the Middle East to unemployed immigrants seeking welfare cheques. Did I? Or perhaps you didn't read what I said correctly. Middle men minorities are seen as parasites by host populations. That doesn't mean I'm comparing them to "unemployed immigrants seeking welfare cheques." Did you actually read what I wrote?


I believe part of the disliking was partially at a smaller scale envy related, but probably more so with regards to their exclusivity, which may have appeared as anti-social to many Europeans. I think its a shame people forget how Jews frequently fought wars with their host people and readily adopted many local customs. They did nothing of the sort until recently because they weren't allowed. By the way, it's very rare to find a Jew in the US armed forces.

Compare the Ashkenazim from Germany today and the Sephardim from Bulgaria or Turkey and tell me they are not behaviourally any different to a Samaritan? IMO they are soo obviously Europeanised. Yiddish, Ladino and Yevanic are most certainly European languages linguistically. What is the point of this?

It has not occured to me that Slavs are anti-Jewish either. The Slavs i have met appear the opposite. I have known Poles whose ancestors have suffered at the hands of Nazism. Personal experience means little. Slavic nations have a very long detailed history of rabid anti-Semitism. Every Euroepan nation that has had Jews living amongst them in large numbers has disliked Jews intensely. I'd say Germany in the 19th and early 20th century, with it's significant Jewish population, was somewhat different.

[u8MmZFmF]

Give us examples, please.[COLOR="Silver"]

Showing to the world that Poles are murdering the Jews was one of the main objective of the Soviet - and Zionists we could add - propaganda machine.

Yes because we know Poland is so important to the entire world that an elaborate conspiracy is necessary to defame them.

[CVEGK7mV]

Yes because we know Poland is so important to the entire world that an elaborate conspiracy is necessary to defame them.

And it seems that for unknown reason Afroamericans are somehow also involved in this anti-Polish conspiracy.

Examples of Polish pogroms of Jews in the prewar period, please. I am sure you are intelligent enough to google them. If you manage to perform this task we will compare them to German achievements.

[Flerdourdyged]

I know a bunch of Bulgarians and none of them is anti-semitic....

[RobsShow]

And it seems that for unknown reason Afroamericans are somehow also involved in this anti-Polish conspiracy.

Examples of Polish pogroms of Jews in the prewar period, please. I am sure you are intelligent enough to google them. If you manage to perform this task we will compare them to German achievements.

Dude, the only thing I care about Poland is your women, and probably only a handful of them, Poland is not important enough for me to care about, let alone make up conspiracies. Trust me.

If Poland did bad stuff to Jews...so what? I mean it is bad, but so did the French, English, Italian, etc.

Most interesting, perhaps, has been the Polish Catholic Church's reaction to the "discovery" that it was Polish citizens, not the German SS, that massacred 1600 Polish Jews in a small northeastern village during World War II. Far from the sympathetic or compassionate response one might expect from the Catholic hierarchy, the Church's response has been indifferent at best.

snip

On 5 March, Cardinal Jozef Glemp, the Polish Primate, stated on Warsaw's Catholic radio station that "death by immolation of (some of) the Jewish population, pushed into a barn by Poles, is incontestable." However, the Archbishop went on to say that he was opposed to the Polish nation accepting responsibility for the massacre.

In yet another public relations disaster, Cardinal Glemp said he would not attend the 60th anniversary ceremony this July. "I don't want politicians to tell the Church how it should express its sorrow for crimes committed by some group of its believers. Nor should they propose an ideology to be expressed by the Church," the Cardinal said. That was the extent of the Church's expression of sympathy in regard to the Jedwabne pogrom. In a country that is 90 percent Catholic, Church leaders don't even bother to put a spin on their position.

Ironically, Polish politicians, who would seem to have a great deal more to lose in the way of voter support, particularly among rural populations, have been more sympathetic. Polish President Aleksander Kwaśniewski, on 5 March, said that the massacre's 60th anniversary should be an occasion to ask "forgiveness" from the Jewish victims. Though a cynic might point out that this statement may have more to do with Poland's ongoing bid to join the European Economic Union than actual contrition, it was nonetheless a striking contrast's to the Cardinal's seemingly cold remarks.

Relations between the local Church and Polish Jews reached a low point in 1935, when Cardinal Hlond, the Prelate of Poland, called for a boycott of Jewish businesses, saying, "There will be a Jewish problem as long as Jews remain (in Poland)."

Cardinal Hlond's prophesy could not have been more right. Though few Jews remain in Poland today, relations between Poles and Jews continue to deteriorate, spurred in part by the property restitution legislation currently in Parliament. SNIP

This brings us back to the Jedwabne pogrom. In May 2000, one such nominally Catholic publication, Nasza Polska, ran a story vigorously protesting the findings of Jan Tomasz Gross' book, Neighbors, which describes the massacre. With the English-language publication of the book, Nasza Polska has continued its attacks on Gross's findings.

Poles inevitably blame the culture of Polish anti-Semitism on the ignorance of poorly educated and overly superstitious peasants. For instance, the Warsaw Voice quoted an old woman leaving one of Father Jankowski's masses: "'What the priest says is the real truth; this church is our Poland. We are ruled by Jews, so we have to fight them. And here is our weapon,' she said, pointing to her rosary."

Meanwhile, many Poles, including those well-educated, continue to insist that Jews caused the Second World War, believing most Jews were Communist sympathizers who (paradoxically) grew rich by taking advantage of poor, hard-working peasants. But if Poland's rural populations were superstitious and ignorant, who was to blame for this?

There is no question that the quality of education in Poland was poor, particularly in the rural eastern lands. Often the most educated and respected person in a rural area was the village priest. According to Gross, instead of preaching tolerance toward the local Jewish population, priests "evoked in their sermons an image of Jews as God-killers, particularly at Easter, making the season a perennial occasion for anti-Semitic violence."

Moreover, Gross writes that days before the Jedwabne massacre, a likely pogrom was averted after the spiritual leader of the Jewish community visited the Jedwabne priest. This suggests that the priest did in fact have the power of life and death over the local Jewish population. So powerful was the priest's authority, Gross writes, that bishops and priests "in Poland often had to be appeased with gifts from the Jews. They were prepared to pay for protection, and for centuries the kehiles, the Jewish communal authorities, had maintained special funds designated for this purpose."
http://www.ce-review.org/01/14/orlet14.html

[Terinalo]

my gf is from the Oswiecim area and I spend on average 2-3 months a years in the area. Never met more Holocaust Deniars and conspiracy jewish-hating theories than in those towns near Auswitz... although most of the people in that area are brainwashed pope-worshipers , gay haters and worst of all, very pesimists about themselves... its such a same, since they are generally such a nice bunch and have such a nice country... too many corruption I guess,capitalism hasn't happened to be what they expected after 40 years of communism

[sonsayx]

Dude, the only thing I care about Poland is your women, and probably only a handful of them, Poland is not important enough for me to care about, let alone make up conspiracies. Trust me.

So why have you created this thread devoted - party - also to Poland as a Slavic country. Think about it.

If Poland did bad stuff to Jews...so what? I mean it is bad, but so did the French, English, Italian, etc.

But why write that she (Poland) did, when she didn't?


You were supposed to give pre-war examples when Poles where in charge on the territory of Poland not Germans or Soviets.

Relations between the local Church and Polish Jews reached a low point in 1935, when Cardinal Hlond, the Prelate of Poland, called for a boycott of Jewish businesses, If this is the low point, I would think that the relations were cordial.

[assohillA]

Being myself accustomed to the Slavic world (I speak russian fluently), I'm aware that anti-semitism is an integral part of Slavic culturalism.
Now you can say what you want but it is frankly honest and "sideful" anti-semitism never passionate like what we get in "the west" (where people hide behind "anti-zionism", in contrast slavs never do this kind of thing; they just say "I hate kikes" and get on with it; which I prefer).

[ArraryTauTDew]

No, they don't. Seriously, I'm not a big fan of the American South, but people keep acting as if nothing has changed since the 1960's. I'm always amazed at how people around the world think of the South in such caricatural terms. As far as I know most of them are mainstream conservatives nowadays, and I doubt you'd ever hear them say anything against Jews or Israel - quite the contrary.

I was born and raised in the South, and I still live here. I cosign this post.

Using Stormfront.org as a source for what the majority of conservatives in the South believe? Come on people. Use your brain. It's not that hard.

[Gastonleruanich]

I know a bunch of Bulgarians and none of them is anti-semitic....

bulgarians speak a slavic language, but they are not slavs, they thracians dude, like Spartacus :P

[klubneras]

So why have you created this thread devoted - party - also to Poland as a Slavic country. Think about it.



But why write that she (Poland) did, when she didn't?


You were supposed to give pre-war examples when Poles where in charge on the territory of Poland not Germans or Soviets.



If this is the low point, I would think that the relations were cordial.

There was no "german" or "soviet" it states clearly in the article that the local people (Polish) did this, not any authorities.

It was a riot of peasants.

Why start this thread? Simple.

I have met nearly a dozen Slavic people in the last decade who have expressed to my face their dislike, ,distrust, or general hatred of Jews...always accompanied with some conspiracy theory.

While I have met anti-Semitic people of other nationalities/ethncities, besides Arabs, I have never encountered so many people from a similar langauge family/geographic region express such clear hatred to my face concerning Jews.

Keep in mind I know Germans, Swiss, Japanese, Chinese, South Koreans, Filipinos, Brits, Indian, French, and Danish people (or have met them and spent time around them) and only one of them, a Swiss guy told me he "didn't trust Jews...but he didn't mind them being around" that was about it...

So yes, I was genuinely curious as to what Slavic people's shared issue is.

Because I have this opinion (I know this might be shocking to you so, please brace yourself ) DOES NOT MEAN I've been brainwashed, work for, or even care about any Jewish interest or concern.

It is an issue of curiosity. To be honest, I don't spend much time thinking about Jews, Poles, etc. The only Slavic people I think about on a weekly basis are Russians and Ukrainians and that is because I have two friends from both those places, one of them a good friend (who are also anti-Semitic ).

[Domovoy]

I have a few friends that are Belarusian, Russian, and Ukrainian, some of them are actually ethnic Jews, that are very anti-Semitic. Also there seems to be a wave of Neo-Nazism in Israel from recent "Jewish" immigrants from the USSR.

[Oxzzlvpg]

bulgarians speak a slavic language, but they are not slavs, they thracians dude, like Spartacus :P

Thracians are extinct.

Bulgarians are a mix of those folks, Greeks, Turks, and Slavs...

get over it.