[wmzeto]

Although I do not find racism funny, in America we do not call this racism. We might say it is discrimination, but we don't consider Swedes and Swiss a separate race. I'm sure some Swiss would tell me Swedes are a different race though. It is interesting that many Europeans use "race" and "ethnicity" interchangeably. I once read a BBC article about "racist attacks" in the UK. guess who the victim was? Polish people.

Like this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...migration.html

accusing bbc of focusing on racist attacks on Poles to take the focus off of non-white immigration.


So basically they are saying that while Poles are white they are still another "race", but another race of "non-whites" is the real issue.


Anyway, lets focus on Switzerland, what do you guys think about what this Swedish woman said? Do you think Swiss people hate her because she is Nordic. Maybe she is just ugly?

My fiancee saw this and she agreed Swiss can be "stand-offish" or even a bit "afraid" of foreigners (in the German speaking area), because they don't like speaking High German, few speak good English, and so they feel uncomfortable and don't know what to say, it does not mean they hate foreigners. She also said French speakers are not like this., neither are Italian speakers.

I agreed, but I also said it is more than that, this is about "jobs" and this woman speaks good English and German, so she should be able to get a job at a international company (if she has good job skills, I don't know if she does, I will assume she does), but she can't find a job, and nor can her Swedish boyfriend. The economy is bad, but this seems a bit odd, so odd the woman is saying she is being racially victimized.

Do you guys think this is common in other nations in Europe.

Inter-European discrimination. We already discussed anti-Slavic discrimination in Swtizerland, which everyone (including the Swiss government) has admitted exist to some extent.

But what about anti-Western Euro discrimination?

My fiancee said Italians were discriminated against when she was a child, but not now; most people just consider them "like everyone else"...now it is people from the Balkens, Muslims, Russians...sometimes Germans.

I have not noticed any major racism and I've been there several times, but I'm starting to think that Swiss "racism" is to 'exclude you" not to attack or threaten you. Swiss people won't do that, they are too well mannered and shy...

[VeniHemealm]

Most immigrants in Sweden are Caucasoids, and yet I hear the word "racism" being shouted very often.

[drislerfottor]

I think there might be an ideological component attached to it: I.E russians being communist, germans being nazis, italians being facist, etc..

But I cant seem to find any negative epithet regarding Swedes(maybe they are too liberal?), thou. They seem to be the least of people I would expect any discrimination againts.

[Ruilnasr]

Although I do not find racism funny, in America we do not call this racism. We might say it is discrimination, but we don't consider Swedes and Swiss a separate race. I'm sure some Swiss would tell me Swedes are a different race though. It is interesting that many Europeans use "race" and "ethnicity" interchangeably. I once read a BBC article about "racist attacks" in the UK. guess who the victim was? Polish people.

Like this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...migration.html

accusing bbc of focusing on racist attacks on Poles to take the focus off of non-white immigration.


So basically they are saying that there while Poles are another "race" they are white, and another race of "non-whites" is the real issue.


Anyway, lets focus on Switzerland, what do you guys think about what this Swedish woman said. Do you think Swiss people hate her because she is Nordic. Maybe she is just ugly.

My fiancee saw this and she agreed Swiss can be "stand offish" or even a bit "afraid" of foreigners (in the German speaking area), because they don't like speaking High German, few speak good English, and so they feel uncomfortable and don't know what to say, it does not mean they hate foreigners. She also said French speakers are not like this., neither are Italian speakers.

I agreed, but I also said it is more than that, this is about "jobs" and this woman speaks good English and German, so she should be able to get a job at a international company (if she has good job skills, I don't know if she does, I will assume she does), but she can't find a job, and nor can her Swedish boyfriend. The economy is bad, but this seems a bit odd, so odd the woman is saying she is being racially victimized.

Do you guys think this is common in other nations in Europe.

Inter-European discrimination. We already discussed anti-Slavic discrimination in Swtizerland, which everyone (including the Swiss government) has admitted exist to some extent.

But what about anti-Western Euro discrimination?

My fiancee said Italians were discriminated against when she was a child, but no now, most people just consider them "like everyone else"...now it is people from the Balkens, Muslims, Russians...

I have not noticed any major racism and I've been there several times, but I'm starting to think that Swiss "racism" is to 'exclude you" not to attack or threaten you. Swiss people won't do that, they are too well mannered and shy...

I think I've told you before

In the UK racism is any act perpetrated by reason of 'race', 'ethnicity', 'culture', 'religion', 'nationality', 'language', 'country of birth' and even smaller factors. And an irish person can be racist against another Irish person if they call them a mick bastard for example (true scenario).

So since Europe isn't one giant country (despite what many yanks think) and rather, it's a continent made up of little European countries each with a different, dominant indiginous ethnic group (and we don't just have lumped categories of White or Black or Asian like the US meltin' pot A) then our idea of race is different to yours.

[MariaBeautys]

She has a more central european face and not very pretty, but take a sight at the butt in the first seconds. It seems poppy-rounded.

well you are right about her face at least...she would not stand out in Switzerland, many women look just like that. So if she faces discrimination it is due to name and her accent, the fact she can't speak a Swiss German dialect, etc. I have personally found that Swiss people can be quite cold to those who can't speak "dialect" it is likey they "freeze up" and become quite serious.

I know a girl who is ethnically Sri Lankan, but moved to Switzerland as a baby. She acts perfectly Swiss and speaks the same dialect as my fiancee. She gets on with people fine. However, she was adopted by whites, she is Catholic, she has a Swiss last name, she went to all Swiss schools with high marks, and speaks dialect. So she may face discrimination but it is not like someone who is truly culturally foreign, although she stands out physically.

She only told me that people ask why she speaks such "good Swiss German", she always has to say "I grew up here" and then they drop it and speak to her as Swiss. She told me, although she is nearly as dark as me, she has only had a few racial incidents in her life, mostly as a child.

I think it also help she is fucking hot. They sure picked the right baby at the orphanage.

---------- Post added 2010-11-04 at 20:54 ----------

I think I've told you before

In the UK racism is any act perpetrated by reason of 'race', 'ethnicity', 'culture', 'religion', 'nationality', 'language', 'country of birth' and even smaller factors. And an irish person can be racist against another Irish person if they call them a mick bastard for example (true scenario).

So since Europe isn't one giant country (despite what many yanks think) and rather, it's a continent made up of little European countries each with a different, dominant indiginous ethnic group (and we don't just have lumped categories of White or Black or Asian like the US meltin' pot A) then our idea of race is different to yours.

I understand that, but like I said it tells me exactly how tribal Europeans are.

That's all.

However I doubt most Brits, at least in my experience, consider "French people" a different race.

However it seems although Poles might look quite nordic and many won't stand out, they are a "different race"...maybe due to lack of exposure historically??

Anyway I want to focus on Switzerland, but I understand what you are saying.

[Xewksghy]

In Sweden, if you get attacked for the reason of speaking a different language, practicing a different religion, having a different political view or being an homosexuall then the attack is officially labeled as a 'racist attack'.

[moredasers]

However it seems although Poles might look quite nordic and many won't stand out, they are a "different race"...maybe due to lack of exposure historically?? What you mean they are different race ?
Have you seen a picture of my mum ? My mum is Polish and she wouldn't stand out in Switzerland at all.

[accotMask17]

In Sweden, if you get attacked for the reason of speaking a different language, practicing a different religion, having a different political view or being an homosexuall then the attack is officially labeled as a 'racist attack'.

Homosexuals and Communist are a race?

Wow. That's a little overboard...but hey, it's your country.

[Cajlwdvx]

Well germans are discriminated also in Switzerland.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2366987,00.html

Shame, shame, and shameful!

[mvjvz]

Well germans are discriminated also in Switzerland.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2366987,00.html

Shame, shame, and shameful!

Yeah like I told you...no one likes "Der Swabi".

[Greactbet]

Wow, that is insane.

Racism â‰* Ethnocentrism.

I guess it is true Europeans are xenophobic…


(That Swedish girl is kinda cute too so sad she is turned-away due to her "Swedish Race")

[Quvwcxqx]

(That Swedish girl is kinda cute too so sad she is turned-away due to her "Swedish Race")

Trust me she's no Swede, i think she's either from the Balkan or some former Soviet east country. That guy got fooled big time i know a Swede when i see one and that girl is not.

[Nothatspecial]

That guy got fooled big time

I honestly cannot tell if the video is fake or not. You really think so?

[Eromaveabeara]

I honestly cannot tell if the video is fake or not. You really think so?

I don't think the video is fake, but i think the girl fooled the guy that she was ethnically a Swede. It's obvious that she's a Slav and not a swede for trained eyes.

[NowFloabDow]

Don't get caught up on the linguistics. Racism is a catch-all word in the UK for any act of violence, discrimination or just general meanyness.

[SM9WI8oI]

Trust me she's no Swede, i think she's either from the Balkan or some former Soviet east country. That guy got fooled big time i know a Swede when i see one and that girl is not.

My fiancee re-watched the video twice, and she agrees with you.

She said the woman is a "Yugo" and the guy interviewing her is Indian or Sri Lankan based on accent.

[Tryphadz]

I think the swiss are racist against atheist. Putting a cross on Switzerland flag is basically shoving religion in everyone face

[zzquo0iR]

So the 2 swedes,or whatever, are having a hard life there because of ethnic discrimination ,interesting,especially since that bank country is supposed to be multi-ethnic but people have such behavior.

[Acalsenunse]

I think the swiss are racist against atheist. Putting a cross on Switzerland flag is basically shoving religion in everyone face

LOL...most Swiss now and historically have always been Christian, should they change their flag and culture to make you happy?

That seems kind of ridiculous. IN reality religion is still a large part of Swiss culture, most Swiss are more religious than most Northwest Europeans (but not nearly as much as Americans). Almost everyone pays tax that goes to their local church, if they attend it or not, and church bells ring all hours of the freaking night. They had are few referendums on stopping that, but they always fail, that's how most people want it.

The best you can ask is if you are not religious they don't discriminate against you, force you to participate, etc. In my experience they do not. However, I don't like the fact they ask you your religion on your job application, for example. Americans would never do that, I don't even think it is legal to ask your religion (or if you are married, etc).

Swiss do discriminate against Muslims though, but I guess that is obvious. I would not say most people do, most are indifferent, but a large number see them as a threat, maybe 1/3, to 25%, which is a huge number.

Swiss are not very anti-immigrant as they are anti-Muslim but the other immigrants they probably don't integrate well, but they also don't see them as a major problem, not yet anyway.

Well they see Germans as a problem, but hey, those are Germans.

[Cinzomzm]

That woman really is Yugoslavian and not Swedish??

Seriously?