[OixKKcj1]

interesting stuff..not often you see Docs from inside Russia...

but they said that Russia fought to destroy Nazism during WW2 which is incorrect, they fought because Hitler broke their agreement and invaded Russia..

it must be hard to be different there.. i wish they could find a way out...i feel very bad for the guy who sleeping in the subway-...

What did you expect? american/western media is usually on the bs when it comes to Eastern Europe and Russia. I don't get what's so ironic about those people being "nazi",they choose it on their own free will while Russia became USSR by force. Maybe the reporter should have barked about how 'ironic' the "slavic hating nazis" were using ukrainians,belarus slavs and white russians in their armies against the USSR.

On the side note I feel for those mixed kids,they have no fault.

[Karensmith]

So then how do you feel about any rap music which does glorify any of that? I mean it definitely exists and isn't exactly rare.

i agree with him.. its very bad effect on society.. but ofcourse not all rap is like that...

[gimffnfabaykal]

Honestly I think that all those racist attacks on blacks are often a little bit outdated.

Eastern European states, Russia, Belarus, followed by Poland who is actually in Central Europe are states in where it's quite uncommon to see a black person in the street, I bet many people will die not seeing black person
It's understandable that youth who seeks some good source of feeding their frustration will pick up some black folks who are not on their own soil and can't fight back. They'll hide in their student dormitories or work places whatever. That's ideal rival in unfair game made by people who want perfect excuse for eruption of one sided violence.

However there is second side of coin. African students are often known for very rude behaviour and are very very insistent towards women. My girlfriend in the bus was asked by african student for phone number and he talked some shit like that he does not search a women but just a friend etc etc and he was very stubborn.
Now, let's be honest I think it's not the way that behaves a person who is scared of racism or physical attack, right?

Check out case of Simon Mol in Poland. Same thing, guy was playing all the way racist card, he was even named a great poet by some left wing politics in Poland, and then it came out that he infected many many Polish sluts with HIV, and he done it purposely. I feel sorry for boyfriends of these sluts who probably also get infected.

I don't talk about Czech Republic for example, blacks in Prague in market square felt like "king of the street" and starred very badly at people, so I don't buy this thing about how they can't leave their block of flats, it's just not true.

To sum it up, black people often feel very secure,there is often something more added to the story which is published in the media. I don't think that blacks in Poland are more targeted by thugs than regular Poles or they are specificly selected from the potential victims. Since Russia is quite close I think it's same there.

[Bvghbopz]

Don't encourage that ignorant shit.
This is not a funny issue and you egging him on only makes him want to act more childish to seek more attention.

There is a time to act foolish, but this is not the place.

[daguy]

I ask myself "Why"?

Blacks in Russia are not known for causing a lot of problems, most crime by foreigners is committed by Asians and Caucasus people.

Asians and Caucasus people have strength. That's why.

[picinaRefadia]

Asians and Caucasus people have strength. That's why.

Strength in numbers,they spam the non-(same)ethnic people with (nazi)human waves. :<

[Zysyewgg]

Don't encourage that ignorant shit.
This is not a funny issue and you egging him on only makes him want to act more childish to seek more attention. Im not ignorant, Blacks are ignorant like you muthfuckar.

[mobbemeatiedy]

Well does Norway have a lot of immigrants? I was referring mostly to the typical immigrant basins of western Europe (France, Spain, Italy, England, Germany).

we have our fair share yes....to put it this way, i have several Polish, Latvian, Somali and such neighbours...

i think about 500 000 people here or more are of immigrant background..while the whole population is only 4.6 mil..

The number of immigrants in Norway is currently approximately 552,000, which corresponds to 11.4% of the total population (2010).[1]

[Uhmavano]

Im not ignorant, Blacks are ignorant like you muthfuckar.

Jew vs blacks! Who is the deadliest warrior?

I have to give it to the Jew this time, he is definitely cool.

[Promotiona]

Honestly I think that all those racist attacks on blacks are often a little bit outdated.

Eastern European states, Russia, Belarus, followed by Poland who is actually in Central Europe are states in where it's quite uncommon to see a black person in the street, I bet many people will die not seeing black person
It's understandable that youth who seeks some good source of feeding their frustration will pick up some black folks who are not on their own soil and can't fight back. They'll hide in their student dormitories or work places whatever. That's ideal rival in unfair game made by people who want perfect excuse for eruption of one sided violence.

However there is second side of coin. African students are often known for very rude behaviour and are very very insistent towards women. My girlfriend in the bus was asked by african student for phone number and he talked some shit like that he does not search a women but just a friend etc etc and he was very stubborn.
Now, let's be honest I think it's not the way that behaves a person who is scared of racism or physical attack, right?

Check out case of Simon Mol in Poland. Same thing, guy was playing all the way racist card, he was even named a great poet by some left wing politics in Poland, and then it came out that he infected many many Polish sluts with HIV, and he done it purposely. I feel sorry for boyfriends of these sluts who probably also get infected.

I don't talk about Czech Republic for example, blacks in Prague in market square felt like "king of the street" and starred very badly at people, so I don't buy this thing about how they can't leave their block of flats, it's just not true.

To sum it up, black people often feel very secure,there is often something more added to the story which is published in the media. I don't think that blacks in Poland are more targeted by thugs than regular Poles or they are specificly selected from the potential victims. Since Russia is quite close I think it's same there.

This is not about POland or Czech Republic.

It is about Russia. Unless you think all nations in Eastern Europe have identical culture and situations, I think we should stay on topic.

Do you think the average black student attacks women on buses in Russia?

Really?


If one out of 10,000 black students behaves this way. is this reason to beat up a random black man on the street who is not doing anything at all?

If I feel frustrated with my job today, is it quite natural I should go out to find some El Salvadorian and beat him senseless to make me feel better?

That is justified?

Quite natural in what barbaric land? I've never heard anyone make a statement like that in any Western nation, maybe that mentality is the source of the problem. Quite natural? For what? An animal?

Maybe I feel some white American is racist, maybe I should go to Maryland where I know Russians hang out in Ocean City and smack some girl around because she is "white"?

Is that justified to you?

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Asians and Caucasus people have strength. That's why.

Why don't Swiss people act this way? I'm sure you can find one incident in the entire nation last year, but black folks in Switzerland are not scared to ride trains or go outside, I've never heard of such a thing.

It is not just an issue of "strength".

So because I am strong, I should attack white people if I am in a predominately black neighborhood? I should just go find one? Really?

[Nigeopire]

This is not about POland or Czech Republic.

It is about Russia. Unless you think all nations in Eastern Europe have identical culture and situations, I think we should stay on topic.

Do you think the average black student attacks women on buses in Russia?

Really?


If one out of 10,000 black students behaves this way. is this reason to beat up a random black man on the street who is not doing anything at all?

If I feel frustrated with my job today, is it quite natural I should go out to find some El Salvadorian and beat him senseless to make me feel better?

That is justified?

Quite natural in what barbaric land? I've never heard anyone make a statement like that in any Western nation, maybe that mentality is the source of the problem. Quite natural? For what? An animal?

Maybe I feel some white American is racist, maybe I should go to Maryland where I know Russians hang out in Ocean City and smack some girl around because she is "white"?

Is that justified to you?

I never said it's natural and I never said that it should be like this.

I don't advocate racism and violence. However, if you feel to secure in some ugly places, don't say bullshit that you were beaten for being African etc. And it has nothing to do with your skin. Check out, some details on those cases and most likely you'll find out that most of these people were beaten in some nasty districts etc. or even doing nasty things.

I never heard of some nasty beating of black student in Kraków for example, hmm I wonder why?

Since we are close mentally to Russians I think that it is simillar there.

I said that black people from what I see and from what I've heard feel quite secure in countries like Czech Republic and Poland.

Moreover, I will risk that searching specifically black people and beating them does not happen at all.


And where I've said that average student who is black attacks females in bus? Haha
I can be kicked tomorrow by some drunkards in the alley.

And who said that anything that you wrote can be justified? You wan't to accuse me of something? Because it sounds like that.

[xLQLRcXh]

we have our fair share yes....to put it this way, i have several Polish, Latvian, Somali and such neighbours...

i think about 500 000 people here or more are of immigrant background..while the whole population is only 4.6 mil..

lol I'm not used to hearing Europeans talk about other European immigrants. Are most of Norwegian immigrants Euro? I was citing western Europe because they have a plethora of non-Euro immigrants that are much more visible and are complained about a lot.

So you'd like to cap immigration period, even to other Euros? I get this sense from posting here that Scandinavians regard even other Europeans as foreigners. I know the idea of pan-Europe is a myth and all but it's still shocking to see.

[Grainiary]

NOt all rap is like that. You are just too ignorant to know any other genre of rap. Of course not all of it is like that, but the better known Rap, the one that gets most of the attention, is what im refering to.

Mos Def
Talib Kweli
Common
Kanye West
Kid Kudi
Lupe Fiasco
B.O.B. Of those people you mentioned I only know Mos Def because he has done some acting(I watch a lot of movies), and Kanye West for being a buffoon. The others, not a clue. They got no publicity.

Sure, I forgot the question mark. It doesn't really pertain to the subject I was just curious how you would answer. I thought it was implied in my post but ill answer again if I wasnt clear enough: I dont like it and I think the music labels should enforce harsher regulations to tone down that poison.

In the long run, rap like that is counterproductive to community as a whole, specially on the younger black generation that think it's "cool and shitz"

[Pcodaygs]

Why don't Swiss people act this way? I'm sure you can find one incident in the entire nation last year, but black folks in Switzerland are not scared to ride trains or go outside, I've never heard of such a thing.

It is not just an issue of "strength".

So because I am strong, I should attack white people if I am in a predominately black neighborhood? I should just go find one? Really?

Russian people after traumatic 90ties became more racist and nationalistic, especially with all this caucasian and asian spam. Since blacks are weakest they are an easy target. Also, blacks differ from us whites more than caucasians etc. Try to be a morron so you will understand that. Some things shouldn't be measured by logic.

[nizcreare]

lol I'm not used to hearing Europeans talk about other European immigrants. Are most of Norwegian immigrants Euro? I was citing western Europe because they have a plethora of non-Euro immigrants that are much more visible and are complained about a lot.

So you'd like to cap immigration period, even to other Euros? I get this sense from posting here that Scandinavians regard even other Europeans as foreigners. I know the idea of pan-Europe is a myth and all but it's still shocking to see.

Poland 52,125
Sweden 31,193
Pakistan 31,061
Iraq 26,374
Somalia 25,496
Germany 22,859
Vietnam 20,100
Denmark 19,298
Iran 16,321
Turkey 15,998
Bosnia-Herzegovina 15,918
Russia 14,873
Sri Lanka 13,772


Since 1970, the immigrant population from Nordic countries and Western Europe has increased modestly from around 50,000 to around 120,000. In the same time frame however, the immigrant population from outside these regions, has increased dramatically from barely anything to more than 420,000 (137,572 from Eastern Europe, and 284,246 from Asia, Africa and South America).[1][3] During the course of just the first four-year term of the ruling Red-Green Coalition regime (2005–2009), the immigrant population of Norway increased by 41%, or 143,300 persons. From 1998 to 2008, the non-western immigrant population has increased 41 times more than the total population.[2] plus lots of unregistered children of immigrants etc...most of my immigrant friends are Chilean, Arab, Vietnamese and so on...

and yes all non-norwegians are immigrants to me..but i feel very close to Icelandic, Swedish and alittle lesser to Danish and British people..

[NeroASERCH]

Of course not all of it is like that, but the better known Rap, the one that gets most of the attention, is what im refering to.



Of those people you mentioned I only know Mos Def because he has done some acting(I watch a lot of movies), and Kanye West for being a buffoon. The others, not a clue. They got no publicity.

I recommend Common, He is pretty much the antithesis to gangsta rap, and has really good lyrics (the kind of lyrics that made rap an art form for social activism and protest, before the advent of nelly, jayz, etc). I like the song "corner." Another reason I like him is cuz he's from my town. And

[Esmeralfaf]

plus lots of unregistered children of immigrants etc...most of my immigrant friends are Chilean, Arab, Vietnamese and so on...

and yes all non-norwegians are immigrants to me..but i feel very close to Icelandic, Swedish and alittle lesser to Danish and British people..

Why the hell do you call Poles and Russians non-western immigrants when their culture is more Nordic than Italians and Spaniards are?

Norwegian statistics do not longer separate between western and non-western but between continents like Sweden do.


ElCibunaro, for me I see it like this:

Scandinavians/Germanics: very close, almost not immigrants (most of them are married to swedes anyway and their children is full swedish).

Other Euros: pretty close

Latin Americans, Middle Easternes, Africans and Asians: very foreign, especially Africans (apart from Aframs maybe).

I take in factors such as culture, race and religion.

[codecouponqw]

I never said it's natural and I never said that it should be like this.

I don't advocate racism and violence. However, if you feel to secure in some ugly places, don't say bullshit that you were beaten for being African etc. And it has nothing to do with your skin. Check out, some details on those cases and most likely you'll find out that most of these people were beaten in some nasty districts etc. or even doing nasty things.

I never heard of some nasty beating of black student in Kraków for example, hmm I wonder why?

Since we are close mentally to Russians I think that it is simillar there.

I said that black people from what I see and from what I've heard feel quite secure in countries like Czech Republic and Poland.

Moreover, I will risk that searching specifically black people and beating them does not happen at all.


And where I've said that average student who is black attacks females in bus? Haha
I can be kicked tomorrow by some drunkards in the alley.

And who said that anything that you wrote can be justified? You wan't to accuse me of something? Because it sounds like that.

These Russian guys in the video, these neoNazis seem to think blacks are attacked for being black. The leader even admitted it and did not say it was wrong. He just said they are trying to "protect their nation from invadors".

So you believe every black stabbed, beaten, etc was asking to be by his personal behavior?

No I don't need an excuse to attack human beings based on racial or ethnic affiliation, because I would never do so. To do so is barbaric behavior, actually animalistic.

It's funny that there are more blacks in Western Europe than in Russia but you rarely hear of Western Europeans attacking people on trains and in public so frequently.

Do the blacks just "behave better" in Western Europe? Is that your logic? Maybe the "bad" blacks go to Eastern Europe. Or maybe Eastern Europe is too cold and it makes Africans go crazy?

I've been to the Czech REpublic, well, Prague.

I didn't have any issues. More stares than in Germany, but not many dirty looks. No one threatened violence. I barely saw any blacks at all, it was about the same as Switzerland as far as the number of blacks. Definitely not as much as Germany (and Germany barely has any as it is).

[baronaaba]

Folks what are you talking about? What blacks? It's such a rare exotic thing here in Russia that doesn't matter anything at all in any statistics and stuff.
BTW all over the world if anybody insults blacks or muslims all PC-obsessed persons start screaming about racism or islamophobia but when anybody insults a local white guy or girl nobody cares- they say it's just an ordinary crime. But if you are black or muslim it's not an ordinary crime. Nonsense!

[Lilji]

Folks what are you talking about? What blacks? It's such a rare exotic thing here in Russia that doesn't matter anything at all in any statistics and stuff.
BTW all over the world if anybody insults blacks or muslims all PC-obsessed persons start screaming about racism or islamophobia but when anybody insults a local white guy or girl nobody cares- they say it's just an ordinary crime. But if you are black or muslim it's not an ordinary crime. Nonsense!

It does not matter the number of people who are assulted.

If 50 Russians are murdered in America in the next 6 months because they are Russian, I'm pretty sure you would care, although 50 people murdered in the U.S. means absolutely nothing "statistically".

So this entire documentary is a lie?

And because blacks and Muslims commit crime somewhere it excuses crimes against blacks and Muslims in other places?

Is that your logic?

Why is it the the U.S. state department has a warning for "visible minorities" not to take trains in Russia and Ukraine, but there is no warning for Germany or France? Why is there is such warning for China or Japan?

Are you saying the U.S. government is making up lies to scare it's "darker citizens" from going to Russia?


Your logic seems to be that:

a) If enough people are not killed or hurt (whatever number you think is important) then it doesn't matter what happened or why. It is unimportant.

b) If a person of any group (however you want to define it) but especially an African or a Muslim does a crime somewhere in the world, and it is not given proper attention, then any crimes against them are unimportant and just exaggerations, and should be ignored.


Is this your idea of "critical thinking"? You learn this in school or you come up with this all by yourself??? LOL