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Old 10-11-2010, 11:48 AM   #1
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Default Is it possible for Ashkenazic Jews to have slavic ancestry?
I know dna tests say no for most, but is it possible for some jews to have some slavic admixture?
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:00 PM   #2
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Yeah ofcourse. Usually in more sophisticated genome genetic testing it shows. It can be less than 10%, however most show in between 10 and 20%. In order of importance they appear Anatolian/Caucasus, Southern European, Arabian, Northern European and lastly North African.
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Old 10-11-2010, 12:21 PM   #3
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is it possible to have more?
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:11 AM   #4
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^^Fo shizzle
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:39 AM   #5
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Yeah ofcourse. Usually in more sophisticated genome genetic testing it shows. It can be less than 10%, however most show in between 10 and 20%. In order of importance they appear Anatolian/Caucasus, Southern European, Arabian, Northern European and lastly North African.
Yah because they originated in Armenia/Southern Caucasus then moved to italy and greece and converted lots of them. then moved to eastern europe and from time to time converted slavs
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:51 AM   #6
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That depends on if Jews convert Slavic women into Judaism.

This really has not happened in large numbers; and that is why we see so few 'Slavic' phenotyped Jewish people… not counting that most Slavic-Jewish mixes (ie. Eastern European Jews) already were exterminated/genocided by Hitler and the Nazis…
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Old 10-12-2010, 04:03 AM   #7
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people always ask that if im slavic but im half western euro half ashkenazi jew so either people suck at guessing or i have some ancestors who were slavs
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:41 PM   #8
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No. Ashkenazi Jews are not white, they are primarily Asian. Particularly Mongolian/Chinese. They were orginally converted people known as the Khazars and they believed in a religion called Tengriism similar to Japanese Shintoism.

Ashkenazi Jews are Oriental, not White. And I'm sick of White culture and Semitic culture trying to assimilate us. Our true home is China, not Israel.
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:41 PM   #9
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Tengriism has nothing to do with Shinto, Tengrists were/are monotheistic.

Stop trolling.
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:38 PM   #10
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No. Ashkenazi Jews are not white, they are primarily Asian. Particularly Mongolian/Chinese. They were orginally converted people known as the Khazars and they believed in a religion called Tengriism similar to Japanese Shintoism.

Ashkenazi Jews are Oriental, not White. And I'm sick of White culture and Semitic culture trying to assimilate us. Our true home is China, not Israel.
This is total fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirteenth_Tribe

Koestler's thesis relies on works of earlier historians, e.g., Ernest Renan (in Le Judaïsme comme race et religion, 1883, to which Koestler explicitly refers in his book). But Koestler's historiography was also attacked by many historians, particularly his discussion of theories about Ashkenazi descent. His analysis has been described as a mixture of flawed etymologies and misinterpreted primary sources by Abramsky and Maccoby[6][7]. Commentators have also noted that Koestler mischaracterized the sources he cited, particularly D.M. Dunlop's History of the Jewish Khazars (1954)[8]. In 1986, Bernard Lewis wrote: "This theory… is supported by no evidence whatsoever. It has long since been abandoned by all serious scholars in the field, including those in Arab countries, where the Khazar theory is little used except in occasional political polemics"[3] Journalist Jeffrey Goldberg, while critiquing another work based on Koestler, described The Thirteenth Tribe as "a combination of discredited and forgotten."[9] Evan Goldstein writes that "…Koestler and the Khazar theory he advanced lives on in the fever swamps of the white nationalist movement.
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A 2005 study by Nebel et al., based on Y chromosome polymorphic markers, showed that Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to other Jewish and Middle Eastern groups than to their host populations in Europe. However, 11.5% of male Ashkenazim were found to belong to R-M17, the dominant Y chromosome haplogroup in Eastern Europeans, suggesting possible gene flow. The authors hypothesized that "R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazim may represent vestiges of the mysterious Khazars". They concluded "However, if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim.[
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Old 10-19-2010, 06:52 PM   #11
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lol jews arent chinese, ive never met one jew in my life who is remotely mongoloid, and there haplogroups are J1 and J2 mostly....
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