[uC4F0NVL]

The woman in the first video said the UK has gotten like the United States with crime. All of the U.S doesn't have high crime. Both cities have great diversity and culture,some of the best in my opinion. But is U.S hip hop culture alone causing more violence in London as the commentator in the first video suggest?


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[Sensbachtal]

Hip Hop culture? Isn't that an oxymoron?

[globjgtyf]

The woman in the first video said the UK has gotten like the United States with crime. All of the U.S doesn't have high crime. Both cities have great diversity and culture,some of the best in my opinion. But is U.S hip hop culture alone causing more violence in London as the commentator in the first video suggest?


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Windie, one thing you have to understand about politicians over here in the UK is that when they cant find someone to blame for their inability to control crime rates, they blame 'hip-hop'. LOL.

The main reason why crime is spiralling out of control has very little to do with hip-hop and more to do with social exclusion and anti-social behaviour. Many kids over here in UK are BORED and depressed. Many were born into single parent welfare homes where the mums were probably teenagers and not responsible enought to look after their kids, and lets not forget BROKE. After receiving very little attention from their parents the kids then turn to crime. Thats the reality, it has very little to do with hip-hop. Their are many rich black kids who listen to hip hop and are scoring A's in school and moving on to become Doctors and Lawyers. Crime begins at home, not with 'hip hop'

[Gubocang]

I haven't been to America but I have spent many years of my life in London as a child and I often go. In fact I am currently in London. I think people exaggerate the danger of London.

Most street crime is gang related and doesn't affect people not involved with that environment so we have to establish whether we're questioning Londons dangerousness for normal people walking around in the streets or bringing up children in a bad area or being part of a gang culture. If the latter is the case it can be fairly dangerous but I think London is overall quite relaxed if your situation is otherwise.

[antonyandruleit]

I haven't been to America but I have spent many years of my life in London as a child and I often go. In fact I am currently in London. I think people exaggerate the danger of London.

Me too. I think Bedford is worse.

[arcaniagainee]

Windie, one thing you have to understand about politicians over here in the UK is that when they cant find someone to blame for their inability to control crime rates, they blame 'hip-hop'. LOL.

The main reason why crime is spiralling out of control has very little to do with hip-hop and more to do with social exclusion and anti-social behaviour. Many kids over here in UK are BORED and depressed. Many were born into single parent welfare homes where the mums were probably teenagers and not responsible enought to look after their kids, and lets not forget BROKE. After receiving very little attention from their parents the kids then turn to crime. Thats the reality, it has very little to do with hip-hop. Their are many rich black kids who listen to hip hop and are scoring A's in school and moving on to become Doctors and Lawyers. Crime begins at home, not with 'hip hop'

I understand and agree with some of your point. But it's not the first time I heard someone from the UK say hip-hop increases crime. And I agree to an extent.
Cameron accuses BBC hip hop show of promoting knife crime
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle672702.ece

CNN 'Hip-Hop & Crime' Report
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...and.crime.affl



But parenting is probably the main issue.

[xgnuwdd]

At least in UK you won't have to worry about drive-by shooting or got popped a cap in your ass during robbery.

[Khcyhshq]

At least in UK you won't have to worry about drive-by shooting or got popped a cap in your ass during robbery.

Yes you get knifed instead, and knives are far easier to buy, use and carry

[cholleyhomeob]

It is much easier to defend against a knife than gun...

[SoorgoBardy]

When I lived in London, back in 2006, I never felt that was and unsafe city. Looks very secure, the police are always in the ass of the criminals.

And I lived in Elephant and Castle, which it was supposed to be one of the most dangerous places in London; there were a lot of Caribbean gangs there, I never had problems with them, they were friendly.

[educationonlines]

It is much easier to defend against a knife than gun...

If you are a level 7 Krav Maga practitioner yes, otherwise no.

[Valdoyes]

If you are a level 7 Krav Maga practitioner yes, otherwise no.

You only need a baseball or something similar and the guy with the knife is fucked. Wile against a gun is different; even if you have a bazooka he can kill you if he shoots you.

[Pipindula]

You only need a baseball or something similar and the guy with the knife is fucked. Wile against a gun is different; even if you have a bazooka he can kill you if he shoots you.

Yes but anyone can grab a knife from their kitchen, guns on the other hand are illegal in the UK and are very difficult to obtain (not like in the US and other such countries), plus knives are easier to conceal and make less noise, so while you could theoritically defend against a knife easier than a gun if you are well equiped (IE, you just happen to have a baseball bat ready) or you are a master of disarming, these prior two situations aren't that likely, neither is the prospect of facing anyone with a gun, facing someone with a knife on the other hand is very likely.

[lorryuncori]

If you are a level 7 Krav Maga practitioner yes, otherwise no.

I have a close friend who is an experienced Muay Thai fighter and has started to take Krav Maga. The reason I mention this is because most people would assume that knowing how to box/wrestle/fight would automatically make one prepared to face all type of threats, but he explained the difference and reading your post just reminded me of that difference. Krav Maga is a very practical fighting discipline made exactly for those types of situations.

[finasteride]

so while you could theoritically defend against a knife easier than a gun if you are well equiped (IE, you just happen to have a baseball bat ready) or you are a master of disarming, these prior two situations aren't that likely, neither is the prospect of facing anyone with a gun, facing someone with a knife on the other hand is very likely.

With gun, an attacker can shoot you from distance and get away easily. Tell me how you can defend yourself from it?

With knife, the attacker has to get in within close distance in order to harm you. You probably will be alarmed (unless you are blunt and insensitive) when someone tries to approach and stab you.

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Back to the topic, from the UK Telegraph newspaper, most of the Brits seem to be wary of the chav and yob that is infesting all over the place.

I don't know the degree of chav and yob culture influenced by Hip-Hop.

[TessUnsonia]

@windie

I doubt London's crime has become so bad that it could be comparable to, or (as you suggested) worse than New York City's? This is despite New York's impressive decrease in overall crime (especially violent crime).

London and Paris should both have similar incidences of delinquency, which I doubt would be out of the ordinary for most of Europe's major hubs. I'm actually fairly certain that I read somewhere on the net, Glasgow being western Europe's most violent municipality?

At the end of the day though, in the western world, none of them got shit on (post-Katrina) Nu Awlins mayne. It's been ranked in the top 5 "world's most dangerous cities," the last four years runnin'.

There was an overall decrease in violent crime in 2009 (estimated at roughly 64 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants), down from the ridiculously high 2006-2008 figures―81 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants; 95 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants―those were (of course) the respective numbers.

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This was by far the best episode of the History Channel's Gangland series.

[BEyng6hj]

The woman in the first video said the UK has gotten like the United States with crime. All of the U.S doesn't have high crime. Both cities have great diversity and culture,some of the best in my opinion. But is U.S hip hop culture alone causing more violence in London as the commentator in the first video suggest.

Crime in the UK is lets just say not getting any better these days, but the scale of crime is not really comparable to that of the USA. I wouldn't say hip-hop culture is the main cause (not really sure how you could measure the 'us hip-hop' contribution to the level of danger within London), I'd say that socio-economic causes are one of the main reasons. And if anything it was Hollywood that glamorised the thug lifestyle: Scarface, Godfather and Goodfellas don't exactly promote legitimate work over living the get rich die trying kind of lifestyle.

To try and tackle the question in the title: Is London more dangerous than New York?

It depends on what makes a city more dangerous? What kind of variables could we include to analyse the question? Do the homicide statistics give us an indicator of danger? Based on those:

London had 117 murders in the 12 months ending march 2010.

New York city had 471 murders in the 2009 calendar year.

The Bronx had 113 murders in 2009. The bronx is like 1/6th the population of London.

Compare the homicide rate in London with any random middle American city, say Cincinnati which has like 1/20th of the population of London yet Cincinnati had 60 homicides last year (slightly more than half that of London).

So I'd say New York was more dangerous than London is based on the homicide statistics.

[tobaccoman]

At least in UK you won't have to worry about drive-by shooting or got popped a cap in your ass during robbery.

Unfortunately not true for this young lady.

http://itn.co.uk/395c90605ec56155a9e3e64731c8c925.html
Girl in East London takeaway shooting diesFri Apr 16 2010 11:44:18
A 16-year-old girl who was shot in the neck at a takeaway restaurant in east London has died.

Agnes Sina-Inakoju was standing with a group of friends inside the Hoxton Chicken and Pizza fast food outlet in Hackney at around 7pm when detectives believe a shot was fired through the window.

Detective Chief Inspector John Crossley, leading the investigation, said: "At this early stage, we believe two males approached the premises on mountain bikes.

"One fired a shot through the window, hitting the victim, who was inside the premises with friends. It is highly likely she wasn't the intended target."

He said the suspects were described as black youths, aged between 14 and 18 and wore dark clothing.

The shooting is being dealt with by detectives from the force's Operation Trident - the unit which investigates serious crime in the capital's black community.
It's true there's not so much of it and it's mainly between different blackish gangs -Somalis versus AfroCaribs versus Nigerians - but sadly it's often the bright studious youth who don't want to mix it with the gangs who get killed. If one thug kills another that's fine by me especially if it happens before they turn a bimbo into a babymama.

[gactanync]

According to Mercer's Top 50 Cities in terms of Quality of Living, London ranks 38 and New York ranks 49. Crime rate is one of the attribute factored into the result.

http://www.mercer.com/referenceconte...lity_of_living

[alicewong]

I think I probably would feel more safe in London than in New York. London also has CCTV.

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Crime in the UK is lets just say not getting any better these days, but the scale of crime is not really comparable to that of the USA. I wouldn't say hip-hop culture is the main cause (not really sure how you could measure the 'us hip-hop' contribution to the level of danger within London), I'd say that socio-economic causes are one of the main reasons. And if anything it was Hollywood that glamorised the thug lifestyle: Scarface, Godfather and Goodfellas don't exactly promote legitimate work over living the get rich die trying kind of lifestyle.

To try and tackle the question in the title: Is London more dangerous than New York?

It depends on what makes a city more dangerous? What kind of variables could we include to analyse the question? Do the homicide statistics give us an indicator of danger? Based on those:

London had 117 murders in the 12 months ending march 2010.

New York city had 471 murders in the 2009 calendar year.

The Bronx had 113 murders in 2009. The bronx is like 1/6th the population of London.

Compare the homicide rate in London with any random middle American city, say Cincinnati which has like 1/20th of the population of London yet Cincinnati had 60 homicides last year (slightly more than half that of London).

So I'd say New York was more dangerous than London is based on the homicide statistics.

You obviously didn't watch the first video. The woman in the first video and the narrator suggested it.