[bertanu]

I've seen many instances of this being true. Examples;

Portuguese Americans on average do not look representative of Portugal because most of them are descended from the Azores and Madeira, which in some cases have small but significant amounts of Flemish, Moorish, and West African admixture.

Italian Americans are largely from the south, thus the average Italian you'd encounter in most parts of Italy will not look like the ones you are used to seeing here.

Puerto Ricans from the United States for some reason, tend to have a higher African influence than the ones back on the island.

[Dreaming]

there are plenty of phenotypes that are common in Britain/Ireland and Germany that I do not see amongst white Americans. I've visited Germany and it actually shocks me that so many Americans are of German descent based on what I saw over there

[Markdogas]

I agree with you about Britain. The darker British looks are not found among their American descendants, from my observation.

[Immarsecice]

Didn't Argentina and Brazil got all the northern Italian immigrants?

[replrobin]

Didn't Argentina and Brazil got all the northern Italian immigrants?

Yes.

It obviously makes sense given north/south variation but from the pictures I've seen of people living in Italy, the majority of them do not look like the ones I see here, and are often lighter. There are also lighter types of southerners as well that for some reason did not immigrate here.

[RorieSorNearop]

Yes.

It obviously makes sense given north/south variation but from the pictures I've seen of people living in Italy, the majority of them do not look like the ones I see here, and are often lighter. There are also lighter types of southerners as well that for some reason did not immigrate here.

Yea I've also notes that so that means that Italians form Argentina and Brazil are more representative of Italy then the ones here.

[zabiqapara]

Yea I've also notes that so that means that Italians form Argentina and Brazil are more representative of Italy then the ones here.

What differences do you observe between the ones here vs. in Italy and Argentina and Brazil? I think 'lighter' and 'darker' are too general so maybe you'll explain better than I did.

[ropinirole]

What differences do you observe between the ones here vs. in Italy and Argentina and Brazil? I think 'lighter' and 'darker' are too general so maybe you'll explain better than I did.

Well i don't think I can give a really good explanation since the only Italians I've come in contact with in large numbers are the ones here as oppose to just a couple of native Italians and one or two Italians from Argentina. I just though that Italians from south America were more representative since you said that most Italians here are darker. Anyways, sadly The only difference I can mention are just about their phenotype, in this case the Argentinian ones I met were ironically all blond with blue eyes at first I though that one of the guys was of German decent much more "whiter" then your average Italian here.

[Soresbox]

Oversea Chinese - Mostly of deep south provinces of China like Guangdong and southern Fukien descent who are darker and shorter southern Sinid type borderline with Paleo-Mongolid.

[23tommy]

Oh definitely. We are represented by Kurds, in Europe.

These people in Turkey:

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Are represented, by these people, in Europe:

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[RobertLS]

Oh definitely. We are represented by Kurds, in Europe.

The Kurdish issue certainly is intriguing. I remember talking to a 'Turk' in my year about the Ottoman Empire, and he eventually turned out to be a Kurd. I was surprised that he would so uncompromisingly present himself as Turkish because I expected Kurds to have at least some ethnic pride.
The Turkish attitude to Kurds is a bit paradoxical as well. Turkey spent decades trying to negate Kurdish identity, calling them 'Mountain Turks', and now I see people like you (understandably) complaining about being represented by them.

More on-topic, I've read several times that some Mexicans don't like the bad reputation low-class Mexicans in the United States are giving them.

[psbiuigw]

The Kurdish issue certainly is intriguing. I remember talking to a 'Turk' in my year about the Ottoman Empire, and he eventually turned out to be a Kurd. I was surprised that he would so uncompromisingly present himself as Turkish because I expected Kurds to have at least some ethnic pride.
The Turkish attitude to Kurds is a bit paradoxical as well. Turkey spent decades trying to negate Kurdish identity, calling them 'Mountain Turks', and now I see people like you (understandably) complaining about being represented by them.

More on-topic, I've read several times that some Mexicans don't like the bad reputation low-class Mexicans in the United States are giving them.

Many Kurds have a stronger Turkish identity than Kurdish, which I don't have a problem with, as long as the differentiation is made. I'm not a raging racist that thinks Kurds should be segregated and shamed or anything but it's when people get in trouble abroad and use the Turkish card for diplomatic reasons that pisses me off. I don't like being represented by a different community.

As for the governments attempt at Turkifying Kurds, it did happen but it was a government initiative more than the people's will. Similar to, say, the Bulgarian government forcing a Bulgarian identity on Turks to change their name and culture.

[opdirorg]

The fact that i've had people on these forums saying i look British (and not Portuguese) while no one has ever told me that here on real life might mean something.

[WaicurtaitfuT]

The fact that i've had people on these forums saying i look British (and not Portuguese) while no one has ever told me that here on real life might mean something.

A lot of people don't know what they're talking about. I don't know if I would immediately identify you as Portuguese but you look more native to your area than anything else. People seem to think countries such as Spain and Portugal are completely homogenous lands where everyone looks like Antonio Banderas.

[Maryjasmine]

The fact that i've had people on these forums saying i look British (and not Portuguese) while no one has ever told me that here on real life might mean something.

That you are in denial and feel uncomfortable with the fact you may look British? Considering Portugal's Western position, it is entirely plausable and quite likely.

[AdvertisingPo]

I agree with you about Britain. The darker British looks are not found among their American descendants, from my observation.

Most Americans in the North who have British ancestry have ancestry from the South of the UK.

The ones from the South have low land Scot and Northern English ancestry.

THis is why most country singers have Scotch-Irish names, those people concentrated in the South, especially in the "Appalachia". Some Germans went there too.

Welsh were scattered everywhere, "Jones" and "Brown" is a common name in the US, but "Davies" is not. hmmm

Many Germans who came into Pennsylvania originally, the largest area of early German immigration were from Bavaria...Benjamin Franklin said they were "dark" and "nonwhite"...many were also Catholic, which he also didn't like.


Southern Europeans and Jews often came much later, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries to the North Eastern states and concentrated there, and they are still concentrated there, although they have spread out a bit. I imagine most Jews in the U.S. are still in the Northeast, although a hell of a lot moved to California as well.

Many Scandinavians (Swedes, Norwegians, and Fins) moved to the Northern Midwest, but there were never a lot of them, not really, they moved to South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, etc. Scando names are very common there. The movie Fargo shows those people and their weird pitchy accents, which came from their ancestors "bad English".

I know a lot of Germans, Poles, Czechs, and some Hungarians settled in the Midwest as farms too...a lot of Poles moved to Chicago, but from my understanding, most of these people were protestant (not the Poles, the others).

Where I'm originally from in Ohio you have a hell of a lot of German names, as well as some Czech.

A lot of Czechs also moved to East Texas for some region. That area also saw a lot of French influence from Louisiana, most of those French being Arcadians (having come by way of Quebec).

[Phighicle]

I agree about the Turks of Germany.

About Greeks, it depends on the country. In Australia we are represented by Greeks from various parts of the country, maybe slightly more come from Macedonia.

Many Greeks, around 500.000, arrived to USA during early 20th century, mostly from Anatolia or Bulgaria. Most of them were expected to return back as the majority of them were males, but their homelands became Bulgarian or Turkish territory after 1922, so they brought their families in USA.

After WWII around 200.000 arrived in US from every part of Greece.

In Germany, the majority of Greeks are descended from northern Greeks and especially Pontian.

In Russia and other ex-Soviet countries also the majority are Pontic Greeks too, although many left for Greece during 90s.

In Britain finally Cypriot Greeks are the majority, students excluded.

[career-builder]

I would say Egyptians, most tend to be delta Egyptians rarely do I meet central or upper Egyptians abroad.

[boXGWf04]

I think Italian-Americans are a very bad represention of Italians. Both in looks and in behaviour.

[Deribasov]

most of those French being Arcadians (having come by way of Quebec).

Actually Acadians came from Nova Scotia. And yeah, as a Nova Scotian Acadian I found a lot of people in Louisiana actually looked like they could be related to me. Well, actually through 23andme I found relatives down there.