[HaremShaih]

I don't profess to be a tough guy, but if any foreigner insults my country expecting me to back down and agree I'll let him know I most certainly do not agree. There is so much anti-Britishness and most British people whole heartedly agree with it. I can't imagine the Turks, Polish or Americans tolerating the insults that the UK gets.

My main problem is, if you defend yourself against a tirade of abuse from a foreigner, you're likely to find another Brit accusing YOU of being racist and culturally incensive.
However, it's now a new thing, British self-hatred has existed for quite some time, although I don't like George Orwell for obvious reasons, I will quote him to better explain what I mean:

In left-wing circles it is always always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true, that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during 'God save the King' than of stealing from a poor box Orwell wrote that in the early 1900s, and the attitude if just as prevalent, if not more prevalent today. Foreigners can freely insult you for being British, but if you defend yourself you are an insensitive, racist evil Brit. If a Southern European calls British drunken scum, most British people would whole-heartedly agree, I can't imagine the Turks, Spanish or French agreeing to a similar insult.

[monologue]

Who gives a fuck? And yes I am British...

[foltdan]

Cos like most countries, we don't really care what people think

[wrenjmerg]

Cos like most countries, we don't really care what people think

My experience is many countries get very uptight when you insult their culture and nation, Turkey even has a whole law against insulting the "Turkishness".

British people may not care what other think of them, but they certainly care when British people give their opinion on foreiginers. They're the first to call you an evil, neo-Nazi racist.

[AromeWahmaron]

Why are British people so tolerant of criticism? Isn't this criticism too?

[Desflahd]

British people may not care what other think of them, but they certainly care when British people give their opinion on foreiginers. They're the first to call you an evil, neo-Nazi racist.

Who cares?

[pkopwqzsdcvbn]

because the brits are comfortable w/ themselves, and they lack the complexes that characterizes so many other ethnicities

[nasxbrtyol]

Because we have been socially indoctrinated with Cultural Marxist precepts, which in essence teach people to criticise their own western culture and make excuses and exceptions for other cultures who are corrupt and barbaric.

The naive Socialists/Communists think that by destroying Western culture and identity with intensive immigration, will usher in a revolution. In reality all it will do is replace our democracy with an inferior culture/civilisation (most likely Islamic) and we will have regressed in to a Theocracy.

We have been taught to believe since birth that we are a mongrel nation and that our culture and history is evil and all about oppression. There is nothing positive to fill young minds with pride and respect for their heritage, they are doing this so we don't resist and fight back and we feel a constant sense of guilt and shame. We have a biased education system that teaches us that whites are more or less solely responsible for slavery. Despite the fact that Arabs and Blacks enslaved whites and treated us worse in the Barbary Slave Trade before the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade came into existence.

Aristotle said it best: "Tolerance And Apathy Are The Last Virtues Of A Dying
Society"

[patrycjakolekk]

I believe that expecting so much political correctness and self criticism only creates animosity. My views on the subject are probably not as strong as yours but I do agree English people shouldn't have to feel like racists when defending their country. Where there is racism, it should be pointed out, but there are also a lot of instances where preposterous claims of racism are made.

[VeniHemealm]

Who gives a fuck? And yes I am British...

Then how come you have an Armenian flag on your profile, if I may ask?

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It has to do with the idea of British 'reserve' and manners I think, middle class people will tolerate insults from foreigners about 'larger lout Brits' because as far as they are concerned such insults refer exclusively (and in fairness they probably do) to lower class Brits, and not them.

They like to think the nice little foreigners in Spain or Portugal like and respect them (the middle class tourists) because they dabble in the local language and culture- they're racist in their own way, regarding the locals as very much a tourist attraction, whereas lower class visitors (i.e. the easyjet stag night types) are indifferent to the locals and only want the weather and the chance to behave like delinquents (which many do when at home in England anyway) by getting hammered and being rowdy/causing damage.

Plus, we haven't had the kind of turbulent political history in recent generations that other places have, our sense of identity is pretty strong.

Interesting point on the Englishness thing, a lot of middle class people do feel 'English' identity is something for the working class. Its a tendency to think if we call ourselves English then that's somehow excluding the Scots & Welsh.

[TepSteade]

Then how come you have an Armenian flag on your profile, if I may ask?

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It has to do with the idea of British 'reserve' and manners I think, middle class people will tolerate insults from foreigners about 'larger lout Brits' because as far as they are concerned such insults refer exclusively (and in fairness they probably do) to lower class Brits, and not them.

They like to think the nice little foreigners in Spain or Portugal like and respect them (the middle class tourists) because they dabble in the local language and culture- they're racist in their own way, regarding the locals as very much a tourist attraction, whereas lower class visitors (i.e. the easyjet stag night types) are indifferent to the locals and only want the weather and the chance to behave like delinquents (which many do when at home in England anyway) by getting hammered and being rowdy/causing damage.

Plus, we haven't had the kind of turbulent political history in recent generations that other places have, our sense of identity is pretty strong.

Interesting point on the Englishness thing, a lot of middle class people do feel 'English' identity is something for the working class. Its a tendency to think if we call ourselves English then that's somehow excluding the Scots & Welsh.

Well, England is the ruling power of Great Britain/ UK and the other Brits - Welsh and Scots - feel belittled. ECB = England (and Wales!) Cricket Board, just one example of the reason why 'English' isn't really true. Norn Iron is effectively an English colony in Ireland.

[ENGINESSQ]

Cos like most countries, we don't really care what people think

Yes, brits are way to great to waste their times on some shitty chauvinists.

[bactrimtab]

I don't profess to be a tough guy, but if any foreigner insults my country expecting me to back down and agree I'll let him know I most certainly do not agree. There is so much anti-Britishness and most British people whole heartedly agree with it. I can't imagine the Turks, Polish or Americans tolerating the insults that the UK gets.

My main problem is, if you defend yourself against a tirade of abuse from a foreigner, you're likely to find another Brit accusing YOU of being racist and culturally incensive.
However, it's now a new thing, British self-hatred has existed for quite some time, although I don't like George Orwell for obvious reasons, I will quote him to better explain what I mean:


Orwell wrote that in the early 1900s, and the attitude if just as prevalent, if not more prevalent today. Foreigners can freely insult you for being British, but if you defend yourself you are an insensitive, racist evil Brit. If a Southern European calls British drunken scum, most British people would whole-heartedly agree, I can't imagine the Turks, Spanish or French agreeing to a similar insult.

I can follow this up, yeah British tend to take insults from foreigners and are more able not to take themselves so seriously which is a sign of them having a good sense of humour, but as a foreigner they get insulted by Brit are probably like to take it different, I guess then foreigners have much a different sense of humour.