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Old 09-11-2010, 12:37 PM   #21
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The liberal mindset comes with education, money,democracy and an easier life in general.Again, nobody was liberal in Spain 40 years ago neither and now it´s full of them. And China regime will not last too much. It changed a lot in the last years anyway. Economic growth and the people´s demands will finish it at the end.
India and China have already more immigrants now than 10 or 15 years ago and there are/will be more every year. Don´t doubt it.
Yes, but never to the extent Europe has had.

China may receive some immigrants from Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Philippines, North Korea, Mongolia, etc. (ie places that were historically under the Sinosphere) but I dont see them tolerating completely alien immigrants, and particularly refugees from Africa, the Middle East, etc.

Keep in mind, Western Europe does not have the historically self imposed hermitism that China has had, most immigration, even the most alien, had some historical stipulation that made things the way they are today. This is why Maghrebis flocked to France (The Maghreb was part of the Francophone) Turks to Germany (diplomatic relations existing between Berlin and Constantinople as early as the 18th century) and Caribbeans as well as Subcontinentals in Britain (the Commonwealth).

The only outlier to this phenomena are the Scandinavian countries and their altruistic and socialist philosophies when it comes to being an asylum. I do not see a future power, Chinese or otherwise, adopting that policy, since even today's superpower, America is not that altruistic.

I think Western Europe's demographics have changed for good, and only some sort of global scale 'correcting' measure might change/setback this, sort of like how Jewish presence was minimized back in WW2.
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Old 09-11-2010, 12:54 PM   #22
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Yes, but never to the extent Europe has had.

China may receive some immigrants from Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Philippines, North Korea, Mongolia, etc. (ie places that were historically under the Sinosphere) but I dont see them tolerating completely alien immigrants, and particularly refugees from Africa, the Middle East, etc.

Keep in mind, Western Europe does not have the historically self imposed hermitism that China has had, most immigration, even the most alien, had some historical stipulation that made things the way they are today. This is why Maghrebis flocked to France (The Maghreb was part of the Francophone) Turks to Germany (diplomatic relations existing between Berlin and Constantinople as early as the 18th century) and Caribbeans as well as Subcontinentals in Britain (the Commonwealth).

The only outlier to this phenomena are the Scandinavian countries and their altruistic and socialist philosophies when it comes to being an asylum. I do not see a future power, Chinese or otherwise, adopting that policy, since even today's superpower, America is not that altruistic.

I think Western Europe's demographics have changed for good, and only some sort of global scale 'correcting' measure might change/setback this, sort of like how Jewish presence was minimized back in WW2.
There are more outliers to the phenomena in Europe. Netherlands is also full of magrebians and they hadnt any relation with them. The same for Italy , also full of immigrants.
You dont see now obviously,just wait some decades. Both China and India will be full of immigrants from everywhere. Even nowadays it´s enough to know english to work in India. Bangladesh illegal immigration is already quite large in the country.
Just wait. Nobody imagined in 1936 that Germany would be full of swarthy muslims 60 years later.
Oh and btw, the european immigration to China and India is way larger nowadays than 20 years ago. Tons of foreing companies are operating them and "white" people aren´t exotic in the biggest cities. And the number increases every year with the growth of their economies
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:14 PM   #23
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China may receive some immigrants from Vietnam, Thailand, Burma, Philippines, North Korea, Mongolia, etc. (ie places that were historically under the Sinosphere) but I dont see them tolerating completely alien immigrants, and particularly refugees from Africa, the Middle East, etc.
What China is going to need in a few decades is atleast 50-60 million foreign women for their male population. They will probably mostly need female immigrants or start wars to steal some other countries females .
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:28 PM   #24
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It is tue that Europe is losing its influence.
For Argentina, the two most important countries by far are Brasil and China, our two greatest markets.
In comparison, from 1880 till world war 2 we were almost a British Colony, they had all the railroads and would buy all our grain and steak.

One of the most shocking things for me about visiting Europe was meeting Spaniards who knew how to speak French, I knew intelectually that France is an important country, but I had never felt France being important till I went to Spain. Just because the importance of France can not be perceived from Latin America.

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What China is going to need in a few decades is atleast 50-60 million foreign women for their male population. They will probably mostly need female immigrants or start wars to steal some other countries females .
They have filipinas for that.
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Old 09-12-2010, 06:04 PM   #25
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Future is now.

Nothing a bulldozer cant clear tho.
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