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Old 09-02-2010, 04:45 PM   #1
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Default Was Europe taking non-European immigrants en masse before the US?
There was substantial populations of Indians in the UK as early as the early 1800s, and likewise there were substantial populations of Africans towards the late 1800s.

On the other hand the US's immigration policy was largely European only, by the standards of the time Irish and Italians were considered ethnics. I understand it is the 1965 immigration act that really opened the door to non-Europeans immigrating to the US.

However, by as early as the 50s the UK was a firmly multi-ethnic society with visible minorities that had choosen to move there, as opposed to the ancestors of ex-slaves.
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:29 PM   #2
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So you look ignore the sub-saharan African slaves as a "immigration forced", they're historically 13-15% of American population. Chinese immigrants in the old American West, don't you? How was numerous that?
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Old 09-02-2010, 10:30 PM   #3
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So you look ignore the sub-saharan African slaves as a "immigration forced", they're historically 13-15% of American population. Chinese immigrants in the old American West, don't you? How was numerous that?
Marginal.

Something like 0.2% of Americans were Chinese during the mid-late 1800s.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:26 AM   #4
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On the other hand the US's immigration policy was largely European only, by the standards of the time Irish and Italians were considered ethnics. I understand it is the 1965 immigration act that really opened the door to non-Europeans immigrating to the US.
What do you mean by 'ethnic"? Or, you were socially "white" or not. To a certain period of American history, they weren't. The fanatical Catholicism of the Irish was one of the reasons for this phenomenon.

Come on, between from 1600 to 1800, millions of Amerindians and (Anglo, Dutch and a tiny number of German settlers) lived side by side in a relative friendly manner in US. And two centuries is a long time, on which admixtures happened also. The U.S. was relatively multiracial at those times.

And yes, that was before the mass migration of millions Germans, Scandinavians, Irish and Poles during the 1900 to the U.S. which changed completely the ethnic demography of that country.

However, by as early as the 50s the UK was a firmly multi-ethnic society with visible minorities that had choosen to move there, as opposed to the ancestors of ex-slaves.
Before;

In 1544, five Africans sailed from Africa to Great Britain with Captain John Lok. They were brought to England to train as interpreters and to help develop trade relationships between Africa and Britain. As Great Britain's involvement in the slave trade grew, more blacks came to the country and the interactions between Africans and Britains became motivated by prejudice and racism.

By 1596, a number of African slaves and free blacks were living in Britain. This prompted the queen, Elizabeth I, to order that all Africans be expelled from England in 1601 because she blamed them for creating social problems. The attempt to rid England of blacks did not work because blacks had become a part of English society. Many were free people, and many of those who were slaves were owned by wealthy families who wanted to keep their servants. http://www.bbc.co.uk/gloucestershire.../history.shtml
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:31 AM   #5
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Marginal.

Something like 0.2% of Americans were Chinese during the mid-late 1800s.
There was also a small Mexican population in the Southwest during the 1800's when the US annexed the former Mexican territory. They were considered "White" by the US census during that period.
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Old 09-03-2010, 04:15 AM   #6
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There may have been blacks, but Britain pre-1950s was firmly mono-ethnic. Indians started to trickle in post WW2. I've seen how much Britain's changed in my short lifetime. When I was a kid you never saw Muslims and I never saw a woman in a burqa or veil until my late teens. Indians were "brown Brits" and I don't remember seeing many blacks. Now I see burqa'd women everyday, usually walking with their husbands who wear Superdry shirts and designer jeans. I never had an issue with blacks, but I think there's now an issue due to (and this is just my hyopthesis) the earlier ones who came for education or who could afford to and the later ones who came when Britain became a refugee acceptance state.
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