[mas-dkt-sive]

Nope, it ends in "ou."

Cypriot (most probably).

[nerkvcbtre]

what do you mean by "dark europeans"?
we along with the other "darky" group, the ancestors of the italians placed the foundation of everything that is europe today lol

now, if you are asking "are greeks darker than the other europeans?", then the answer is obviously yes, we get double the amounts of sun a guy in finland gets, and 3/4 of what a guy in cairo does.
apart from the sun, that obviously is there and makes people darker, we also were allways living near the center of activity, at least for the 5000+ years and its not only "white" people who were active.

anyway imo you can judge for yourself :P

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=20886

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according to some info i had found in the past, we get x2-x3 the amount of "sun" people in northen europe do.

OMG, I noticed on Youtube this video of these young folks fooling around in a pool, I think they were all Italien, and this teen girl on there looked dark as or darker than me, and yet, I couldn't really place her anywhere else than SE Europe.

Ah, found it, here it is:



(Are they LD?) .. anyway, moving on, there was another vid of some sort of (Television?) show of somesort where this Greek chick on there looked Gypsy or something, she had heavy eyeliner, and coulda had a descent tan though.

Anyway, is the tone of the chick in the vid found in Greece?

[serius_06]

Only in heavy tanned people and of course, Gypsies. That girl is tanned too.

An example from a Greek model:

[xtrudood]

I don't think greeks are "very" dark from any Northern European perspective,Northern Europe might have the highest % of highly depigmented/almos albino skinned people but many/many aren't darker than your average southern European

these people aren't much lighter than the people I see everyday in Spain(and Spain has a stronger sunlight)

I'd guess the main perception that southern europeans are dark is refered mostly to hair and eye colors rather than skin color. the vast majority of european caucasians with unexposed skin color might be either white, white-matte or light olive. The darkest you can get is olive/light-olive skinned and they are by no means majority, not even in greece.

[Oriesssedleli419]

^ Doesnt really look particually Greek to me. (from Australia)

[piramirra]

What would "akis" in the surname mean ??

[mr.videomen]

What would "akis" in the surname mean ??

That the person who carries it is from Crete.

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I'd guess the main perception that southern europeans are dark is refered mostly to hair and eye colors rather than skin color. the vast majority of european caucasians with unexposed skin color might be either white, white-matte or light olive. The darkest you can get is olive/light-olive skinned and they are by no means majority, not even in greece.

Still, northerners can't tan so easily as southerners. Even if they are dark haired, they burn quicker.

[Ambassador]

Still, northerners can't tan so easily as southerners. Even if they are dark haired, they burn quicker.

i had an english teacher who lives here in greece and her skin follows the same paterns of colour changing depending on season everybody else did, with the minor difference that the base of her colour is somehow yellowish while for most greeks is usualy pinkish.

also, i am not sure if its about actual differences of the skin, or if the skin of an individual is "used" to the sun somehow.
because lets not forget, that taning isn't caused by laying down in the beach waiting for the sun to colour you, its about the amount of "energy" the sun sends down to you every day and how your body handles it.

i will post some pictures some day to explain that :P

[slimsex]

Maybe she has Jaundice

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OMG, I noticed on Youtube this video of these young folks fooling around in a pool, I think they were all Italien, and this teen girl on there looked dark as or darker than me, and yet, I couldn't really place her anywhere else than SE Europe.

Ah, found it, here it is:



(Are they LD?) .. anyway, moving on, there was another vid of some sort of (Television?) show of somesort where this Greek chick on there looked Gypsy or something, she had heavy eyeliner, and coulda had a descent tan though.

Anyway, is the tone of the chick in the vid found in Greece?

She really looks very, very dark. Maybe she's in the shade, sometimes cameras show extra dark colours in some lighting situations, as their automatic light detection is fooled by the overall bright light. At the start, when he hose her, you can see a patch of sunlight on her shoulder for a moment (1:11-12), so she must be in the shade. You can also see her tan lines, she has a very pale butt!!!

But even if we account for the lighting, she definitely still has a very dark brown tan.

Ps. an example of this shade effect - look at this shoulder, how the leaves of some tree makes the colour very dark, compared with the real colour, which is the colour in the sunlight. If this shoulder was entirely in the shade, it would look overall dark, but the person isn't dark at all (I took the pic).

Obviously the girl in the video is much darker, but she could still look darker than she is due to the shade.

[Sellorect]

She really looks very, very dark. Maybe she's in the shade, sometimes cameras show extra dark colours in some lighting situations, as their automatic light detection is fooled by the overall bright light. At the start, when he hose her, you can see a patch of sunlight on her shoulder for a moment (1:11-12), so she must be in the shade. You can also see her tan lines, she has a very pale butt!!!

But even if we account for the lighting, she definitely still has a very dark brown tan.

Ps. an example of this shade effect - look at this shoulder, how the leaves of some tree makes the colour very dark, compared with the real colour, which is the colour in the sunlight. If this shoulder was entirely in the shade, it would look overall dark, but the person isn't dark at all (I took the pic).

Obviously the girl in the video is much darker, but she could still look darker than she is due to the shade.

Oh no doubt, I've often noticed how black celebrities and footballers can have *totally and completely different looking skin tones depending on the cam and situation.

Heck, I recall in a fully lit surrounding inside a building this camera that used to have black people my color looking leaugues less visible and in complexion around Westley Snipes color dark chocolate (which is darker than the already "dark brown" color of milk chocolate), no lie, and people darker than me looking like specters, like jet black portals from out of another dimension. Plenty of people . No doubt, some people (black) would laugh and say we need a new camera.

Westley Snipes, who's somewhere already between dark and milk-chocolate:

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[lizadax]

the vast majority of european caucasians with unexposed skin color might be either white, white-matte or light olive. The darkest you can get is olive/light-olive skinned and they are by no means majority, not even in greece.

Though I'm not sure exactly what those hues you're talking about are, this sounds basically like my conception of things there.

[PNCarl]

i don't know about greece ... but middle eastern greeks they look very white-european to me, also some tanned.

[Frogzlovzy]

Where are these Middle Eastern Greeks?

[JediReturns84]

Where are these Middle Eastern Greeks?

in israel, jordan, south sryia .. they are christians (of the melkite greek catholic church) and they speak arabic and they still use greek names

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[xsexymasterix]

They look a lot like Cypriots. But we don't call them exactly Greeks but "Arabophone Christians" or Rums.

[AngelinaLip]

Guys, don't respond to an Austin thread. This guy's a known troll.

[ZXRamon]

Most mainland Greeks belong to two Europid types:

I. Atlanto-Mediterranid
II. Alpinid (pred. in the North West, as one approaches
Albanian territory)

In the islands however, we start to frequent not a few
rather primitive paleo-Berid strains and Armenoids, mainly
in Crete and the island of Cyprus.

Regards.

[shumozar]

I'd guess the main perception that southern europeans are dark is refered mostly to hair and eye colors rather than skin color. the vast majority of european caucasians with unexposed skin color might be either white, white-matte or light olive. The darkest you can get is olive/light-olive skinned and they are by no means majority, not even in greece.

Exactly I believe you are more on the topic than anyone. It does refer to the hair and eye colors when it comes to comparing a Mediterranean based ethnic group with a Nordic ethnic group. They have very different hair colors, the majority of Greeks have hair that are either dark brown, light brown which turns to fair “blondish” with the sun during the summer season or dark black. While Nordics also have dark brown hair they have a more abundance of blond than the South. In General the Mediterranean sub-race in on the darker side of the hair spectrum while the Nordic sub-race is on the lighter side. Now we are talking about geographical extremes of Europe.. Central Europe is a mix of both. Regarding skin color, there are individuals who are Olive/light olive in the Mediterranean but yes they do consist a minority. Skin color is pretty much the same, only difference is the Mediterranean gets way more sun light hours (Greece) than the North which is very deprived of light (Sweden).. Plus the sun burns so much because Greece is located closer to the tropic of cancer than say.. Sweden.. Again geographical extremes. Have you noticed a Greek or an Italian in the winter he/she is so pale, and by American standards (because only Americans ask these questions now days) there “white” but come spring and the summer he/she grows more tanned and “darker”. Ever had a friend come back from vacations in Italy? Didn’t they get more color than before?

Now we do have to take historical evidence along with nations, in the case of Greece, it is a make up of different but related tribes from antiquity. If they were not related they would not speak a similar language and worship the same religion. Most of the ancestors of the Greeks came from the north (Not Scandinavia or Germany as some individuals have attempted to say in the past.. And by those I mean the Nordic school of thought. There is no relationship between Greeks and Germanics even Scandinavians what so ever.) they came from what was Yugoslavia (Northern Balkans) after their migration from the Caucasus. Achaean Greeks (Mycenaean’s) came from the North (again Balkan area), also so did the Dorian Greeks. The two largest tribes of Greeks, they mixed in some cases mixed with the native early Greek tribes Pelasgians, Leleges etc.. in other cases they exterminated the earlier inhabitants. Mind you no body was called Greek yet, the name Greek (Hellenes) and Greece (Hellas) is a unified name that came around the 7th century BC and it started from the Myrmidons and spread to encompass all the Greeks (Achilles men are the ones called Greeks in the Iliad, and all together are called Achaeans.) Furthermore, when the Roman Empire came and the Eastern Roman empire became the sole heir of Rome (the western fell earlier), many foreign populations previously not Hellenized (Become Greek) under Alexander the great and the successor Greek empires, became Hellenized under Byzantium (Eastern Roman Empire).. A notable example are Thracians, in classical times considered barbarians, in medieval times considered Greeks. Hundreds of thousands of Romans from Italy also became Hellenized, they lost their connection to the Latin language and adopted the Greek language and Greek names, and all the Greeks called them selves Roman (because they were by citizenship). Aside from a minority of Anglo-Saxons (fleeing William the Norman) and Varangians (Vikings of Ukraine) and Rus (Russian Slavs) that settled in the Empire and became absorbed, after the 9th century AD the empire was no longer a multicultural element, but a homogenous Greek Empire, with a clear cut Armenian and Jewish minority, with ethnic tensions between Greeks and foreigners like Venetians, Genovese etc within the capital (Constantinople). After the fall of the Byzantine Empire in 1453 AD to the Greek revolution of 1821 the Greeks/Romans (because they used both names) were second class citizens in their own land by the Ottoman Turks, in which strict segregation laws applied based on faith. Any Christian marring a Muslim was taboo. Sure conversions were accepted, and thousands converted over to Islam, and became Turks, but the majority remained. After the successful revolution of 1821 the descendants of the Byzantine Empire, revived Greece forming it into what we know it today. All these events (in summary) and people (Greek races, Romans, and other Hellenized populations ex. Thracians, Cappadockians etc.) make up the modern genetic element of the Greeks.

[darieBarexish]

Just like these people in the pictures. I know a Palestinian, a Syrian and a Lebanesse, they are all three the whitest Arabs you have ever seen, but they do have some semetic features, they are all three Greek Orthodox, but none of them is Greek not even in name. Historicaly the middle east was always a cross road, alot of Greeks and Romans once settled there, after Christianity, and before Islam, the dominant language was Greek, the only language the Church used was Greek. So I wouldnt be surprised if these people have Greek names, and look a tad like Greeks. But they are reminants of a past era before the Arabs invaded the lands, spreading Islam and Arabic with it.