[Big A]

Buddha and "Atman/Self"

Buddha regarded the belief in a permanent "Atman/Self" not only negates the activities of moral life but it also becomes hindrance in the path of Nirvana - the perfect liberation. That is why Buddha did not recommend his followers to embrace the tenets about the existence of "Atman/Self". Buddha repeatedly warned people to avoid embracing such beliefs, as he regarded such blind beliefs as unhealthy or counterproductive.

Buddha also emphasised that Consciousness is like a mountain stream, which flows fast and is forever changing. There is no permanence; but there is constant change in it. The arising, disappearance and changing of everything that exists are the three evident signs of compounded things.

[Lt_Apple]

Originally Posted by SRS ......praying is suitable for all occassions.

Yes, just praying was everything that one needed, even if the result was waves after waves of foreign invasions and resulting destitution of India and her people.

Praying is indeed NLP, not being able to grasp that fact is nothing but an adverse effect of just praying for all occasions.

Like Pradheep said, both the invaders and invaders prayed to God. So I am not sure what your logic is... when the justification that many invaders had for invading India and such places was to convert the Indians to another religion... unless you agree with certain racial theories like social darwinism... then you are in effect making the argument that Europeans are superior to Indians.
But history will show the Europeans have been even more dogmatic in their "God-beliefs" (until very recently) than the Indians.

[HedgeYourBets]

Mantras have effect on both body and mind. Sound (Acoustics) have been researched and found to have good and bad effect on health. Sound as Music is good and as noise is bad for health of mind and body.

Mantras are musical and have good effects on body and Mind.

Sanskrit have unique sound combination that have greater effects . My dear friends who read this should not be feel insulted because I said somethign great about one language. Every language has its own musical influence.

So even In English one could chant, but the effects will vary.

At begining stage we are aware of the body and mind effects only.

But at next level you will understand that this chanting helps you to keep you mind from wandering. Then in the final stage mantra chanting can help transcending.

When people do chanting with me , I tell them to be aware of the breath and the mantra patterns and in that way one is able to keep the mind in the present instead of wandering. This gives higher health benefits and spiritual benfits too.

[radikal]

some of us actually log on to learn.

Dear Avii,

I have no nothing but only good intentions; and to see that, one too must have good intentions and look at the reality from every aspects and not just one Egocentric perspectives.

However, if that is difficult to grasp, I leave it you unlit you realise yourself of the utter fallacies in such Egocentric beliefs, even if it takes longer than you would like.

Good luck!

[Beerinkol]

wwhy do we chant mantras in , be it hindi , tamil, sanskit, etc. If we know the meaning in our mother tongue, then why not just chant the mantra in english ??? is there some importance in the actual language ????

[Lillie_Steins]

in the devi bagavatham i have read two instances where the divine shakti granted boons to devotees and also included that whoever uses this or that mantra , with their offerings , the blessing would be multiplied by a hundred. so i was wondering if the effect would be the same if the mantra was in another language??

[PhillipHer]

by the way, i do love using mantras in their original languages (their sound is better and english is not as discriptive as other languages) but i have been asked this question by other devotees and am not sure as to the answer

[9mm_fan]

The effect is not fully in the mantras, it is in the intention. Our thoughts are behind the actions. These mantras give us positive thoughts and feelings. These thoughts and feelings bring the desired results.

Not only in Devi Bagavatham, in all chants there is a phala-sruthi, which means the intended fruits that will be got by doing these chants. So when the intension is clear the results are obtained.

what is the best?. To get the musical effect and the results, do chanting by knowing meaning. Hope this is clear if not will give more explanation.

[Beerinkol]

why do we chant mantras?

Simply to divert your brain from thinking so that it becomes completely useless - i.e ignorant of the factual reality- like waves after waves of foreign invasions that resulted in utter destitute condition of the entire India and 100s of millions of Indians.

[radikal]

Rohit
I know you are boiling inside because of the defeat you are undergoing and so you are following me wherever you can.

Foriegn invasion is because people misunderstood like you. Ahimsa is not to harm others but that does not meaqn to protect oneself. That is why in vedic tradition which talks about Ahimsa, can one class of people called Kshatriyas to defend the country. Their dharma was to protect the country.

People like you misunderstood everything and brought ignorance. India destroyed in weaponary science and that country which has fought mighty wars like Mahabharata could not stand even invasion of ants, because of ignorance.

A person like you who do not know anything about higher principles in life , can differentiate between Dharma and Ahimsa.

That is why Gita is a book to fight and not run like a coward like you. Gita teaches Ahimsa and Dharma at the same time.

When people like you were born In India , under the gimmicks of intelligence fed ignorance and thus India fell to foreign invasion.

India will arise and out of many thousands I am "One" to bring correct understanding to people. I am not bothered about parasites like you, who sucks blood (forum hub space) and spread germs of ignorance.


I do not hurt any one , but to protect ignorance and hatred being spread, I have to call you a spineless person who does not have the guts even to expose his personal identity. You are hiding yourself and call everyone names and stupid. If you have guts and is fearless then go and update your profile and expose yourself to the friends. Dont hide yourself like a coward.

[tgs]

Please, please Pradheep, stop your Egocentric nonsense so that people can relate to your real posts.
The current posts of yours reveals nothing but an Egocentric child adamant to have an lollipop before yielding to the facts.

[Peptobismol]

If you have guts and is fearless then go and update your profile and expose yourself to the friends.

I am Rohit (Vishnu) and I always was Rohit (Vishnu) to those who knew me since my birth. Isn't that enough?

[Ifroham4]

That is why Gita is a book

Derived from Buddha's (Buddha depicted as Krishna - the highest reality, the avtara of Vishnu) teachings of Karma, Maya (illusion) and four Nobel Truths, which the Emperor Ashoka, despite conquering the entire Bharat and far beyond; surrendered to Buddha. Was that a miracle? Not at all; but it was the result of right thoughts going into the right thinking mind, which you - the terribly confused Buddhist - the lowest parasite - definitely heven't got.

[Beerinkol]

to rohit
please, if you have no good intensions please refrain from interupting this thread , some of us actually log on to learn . i have no objections to constructive critisism, but you are just out to harass pradheep , please take it to a personnal message

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Rohit and Pradeep: If you will not cease this endless debate, hijacking all threads, I will have no other option but to ban you both. Consider this as the last and final warning.

[9mm_fan]

Dear Badri,

I am not bothered about the ban, but what I am bothered about is that despite my repeated cautions to Pradheep and his associates not to address my posts if they cannot grasp them, they wouldn’t leave them to the readers to make their own judgements. In fact, it is this sort of behaviours that trigger the rounds of such futile arguments as witnessed.

Anyway, thank you for the warranted caution; and in response I will request you keep an eye on such encounters as and when they arise due to such misbehaviours.

Thank you!

[tgs]

why do we chant mantras?

Simply to divert your brain from thinking so that it becomes completely useless - i.e ignorant of the factual reality- like waves after waves of foreign invasions that resulted in utter destitute condition of the entire India and 100s of millions of Indians.

Actually the thereaputic effects of praying have been scientifically documented. These include lower blood pressure, improved respiratory performance, etc. And those foreign invaders you mention, well, the irony is that none of them are around today, but India still is. Perhaps if the invaders had kept to their within their borders, they might still be around.

[Beerinkol]

Actually the thereaputic effects of praying have been scientifically documented.

I would not disagree with the theraputic effects of praying. However, there are countless therapies, some are listed below, but not all are praying.

- Aroma Therapy
- Art Therapy
- Behaviour Therapy
- Cognitive Analytical Therapy
- Cognitive Behavioural Therapy
- Electro-Convulsive Therapy
- Hypnosis
- Laughter Therapy
- Massage Therapy
- Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)
- Occupational Therapy
- Psychotherapy
- Therapeutic exercises (Yoga, meditation fall under this category)
- And so many others

In fact, only if one cares to grasp, praying falls under the category of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)

[brraverishhh]

Originally Posted by SRS Actually the thereaputic effects of praying have been scientifically documented.

I would not disagree with the theraputic effects of praying. However, there are countless therapies, some are listed below, but not all are praying.

- Aroma Therapy
- Art Therapy
- Behaviour Therapy
- Cognitive Analytical Therapy
- Cognitive Behavioural Therapy
- Electro-Convulsive Therapy
- Hypnosis
- Laughter Therapy
- Massage Therapy
- Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)
- Occupational Therapy
- Psychotherapy
- Therapeutic exercises (Yoga, meditation fall under this category)
- And so many others

In fact, only if one cares to grasp, praying falls under the category of Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP)

But only praying is suitable for all occassions. I do not think "laughter therapy" or attaching electrodes to the scalp (electro-convulsive) is suitable for dealing with grief.

I am not sure that praying falls under the category of NLP. According to Wikipedia,

"The original developers claimed not to be interested in theory, and NLP teaches a practitioner to focus on "what works". However, this in no way prevents practitioners from creating and promoting their own theories behind NLP, and some have done this, basing theories upon a synthesis of core observable NLP combined with other personal, new age, psychological, and/or neurological concepts. Some trainers teach these theories as part of NLP."

But one does not pray because it works. One prays to find closure. Meaning, when you pray, find a sense of peace (due to your senses being detached from the material world). I am sure you can find a sense of peace with "aroma therapy" or "art therapy"
but it is not the same.

[TorryJens]

......praying is suitable for all occassions.

Yes, just praying was everything that one needed, even if the result was waves after waves of foreign invasions and resulting destitution of India and her people.

Praying is indeed NLP, not being able to grasp that fact is nothing but an adverse effect of just praying for all occasions.