[Big A]

O.k fine, but isn't so weird that most of them lost the Tamil language and I find all of the Trini or Guyanese people always say that of course their Indian but from North. I didn't come across anyone that is from southern part of India.

[Slonopotam845]

It seems to me that the Tamil origin people in Guyana had lost their language/culture etc. Now, the Hinduism they practice is of the North Indian variety. Why is this?

[Ifroham4]

Read about Tamils in Carribbean countries in
www.intamm.com (You have to download webtamil font to read this page)

http://www.intamm.com/countries/caribbean.htm

[TorryJens]

////Some west indian cricketers' name sound like Tamil:

Sarwan - Saravanan
Chanderpaul - Chandrapalan/////

Sarwan and ChanderPal are North Indians.

/////Nagamootoo - Nagamuthu////
He might a Tamil.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Hi guys, I dont think any of you guys know anthing
about the Tamil Culture in Guyana. As far as I am concerned Tamils in Guyana has maintained their Cultural Traditions to this day since their Forefathers left madras over 175 years ago. As a matter of fact a lot of the old traditions and customs have changed a lot in India, in Guyana these traditions has been preserved. Yes there are a lot of Tamilians who converted to christians, look at the state of Kerela. Guyanese who migrated to the USA still carry their old traditions with them. There are "madrasi" temple all over New York.

[doctorzlo]

Lot of Guyana and Trinidad people look pure Tamilian/South Indian, except they adopted N. Indian names, I know for a fact a lot of them have Madras background, therefore, they are just like us South Indians.

[Slonopotam845]

Some west indian cricketers' name sound like Tamil:

Sarwan - Saravanan
Chanderpaul - Chandrapalan
Nagamootoo - Nagamuthu

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

I have yet to see anyone say roughly when this migration from India to Trinidad occured. Can anyone give a rough estimate.

On another note please don't worry about Hindu worship or language origin etc. The truth is there is no authoritative and conclusive evidence today about what constitutes Hinduism or Indian land (north south) or Sankskrit language influence etc.

Like my mother who believes she is a Hindu but teaches me only thirukurral and knows nothing about the Vedha or Gita.

Like my father who gets angry if I say refer sanskrit characters. He says that by dropping so called sanskrit charactors (used for ages by Tamils), we are not just losing a character but a complete "sound". we are reducing tamil not enhancing it.

So I say let us proudly say that people who like us are all over the world and let us try to reach out to them.

Note: I have yet to see a trinidad citizen join this forum. Can anyone get connected to them.

[Peptobismol]

You would not want to see a Trinidadian here. They are in no better position than us Guyanese. I posted the views of one and soon after the thread was gone. I opended another and excuse was given to keep that locked although I can't get into my old ones due to hub migration. I shall wait. But in the meantime here is my response to the locked thread in which a message wa sleft, but I can't reply to:


What do you mean by "sweeping abuse of people"? Facts are facts, especially when they are relevant in counter statements and arguments, however ugly they look. That does not constitute "sweeping abuse" and that also is not my problem. When the going gets tough, the tough gets going. Then the threads are removed. I will now send copies of the last two to the authorities for review including the one of today with the last post, for a second opinion.

The admins have been leaving all the attacks for everyone to view against us people. It is my turn and for my people to see them all and the continuation. I don't think they are finished with me, its only quiet since I have involved the right authorities.

The Guyanese people have already said this is happening out of pure ignorance of the people from India and related territories. Now you want to sweep it under the carpet and expect harmony.

You will NOT be allowed to run such a forum of Indian History and Culture. It means that you have been a silent supporter of the alliance against Indo-Guyanese and you promote such activities on this forum which has been running for two years now which explain a lot more I am prepared to divulge to my community. I will ensure one way or the other this mater is appropriately dealt with.

cc: Prakash Singh at Guyanese Civic Association
cc: GOPIO
cc: The Indo-Guyanese mail in Toronto

PS.

If I am advised not to come back here in the circumstances, I wouldn't. But I will ensure that this problem is dealt with elsewhere. That is probably the most appropriate step. You better save the threads, cause you will have to account. Don't take GOPIO and others for granted because they have the strain of achieving certain objectives which can be conflicting at this time. And don't take us for granted where we often have to take the abuse, put our tails in our hindlegs and stay quiet, having or being forced to consider India is a Land where our forefathers came from. You should know for this very reason, I covered many shame for Indians from India - I refused to talk of some of my own experiences and you are talking about "Abuse"?

[brraverishhh]

How to rationalize:

Before any Indians of 18th Century return to India, they must consider:

1. How would they be viewed by Indians and Tamils;
2. They (the returnees) must have their lines of defense to:
Ø Run away low caste
Ø Did all low caste leave India (was Indian ever cleansed of low case)
Ø How better or worse of are the caste in India compared to the so called run aways
Ø Low caste in India and elsewhere that look down on 18th century returnees, should be viewed as even lower, having in mind that low caste may have left India initially, but in 19th century, people of all caste left India.
Ø *Off springs of high or low caste that left India though enslaved, found much more dignity and pride than those of which they left behind, so who is to call who low?
Ø Its worse to be left behind and found to be lower in pride and dignity in one’s own mother country of birth. From what we have seen and came across, we know that this is the case. Yet, these are the said people with loud mouths calling 18th century returnees, low caste and off springs of slaves when they themselves are seeking to leave their mother country in present times and nothing to justify why they were left behind;
Based on all the above, it seems that it was the brave and strong (mentally and physically), willing to take risk and face challenges that left in the 18th century, the very lot that made the way for the new comers who mock them.

[doctorzlo]

What I could tell You is that 10 % of guyanese is from Madras

[Slonopotam845]

guyanese indians speak hindi/bhojpuri words when they speak guyanese ( yes guyanese is a language....go ask the surnamis) so tyhat tell you that they are from north east india...nani....chamar...pherha....pagli......hijr a....etc. are all north indic words....booya.

alladin

[TorryJens]

Some Guyanese people still have links with Tamil worship...

[Ifroham4]

India disturbed over crimes on Guyanese Indians -Joshi

Stabroek News
August 17, 2002

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India has observed with grave concern the recent developments in the country in which a number of heinous crimes have been committed on members of the local Indian community.

In his speech on the occasion of the 55th anniversary of India's Independence on Thursday, India's High Commissioner to Guyana, Dr Prakash V. Joshi said crimes committed on members of the local Indian community have caused "much unease and unhappiness" in India.

Commenting on the current situation in Guyana, Joshi gave the assurance that the government and people of India stood by the people and government of Guyana at this juncture.

The Indian government has also renewed its invitation to President Bharrat Jagdeo to visit India. "We are eagerly looking forward to your visit," which he said would give major impetus to the growth of cooperation between Guyana and India in various fields.

The Indian government, he said, would be willing to play any possible role to ensure maintenance of democratic institutions in Guyana and that all its communities are able to live and work in peace and harmony.

Reviewing activities over the past year, Joshi felt that the sharing of a common understanding and perspective was reflected in the heightened tempo of economic cooperation. Bilateral trade, he said, stood at US$6.3 million against US$2.75 million a few years earlier.

He announced that very soon, India would hand over "a mobile vehicle which will be used to train people in rural areas in various aspects of agro-based industries."

In the cultural milieu, Joshi said, "we continued our efforts to project different facets of India's culture and heritage through special programmes and music, dance, etc, rendered by students and teachers of our cultural centre."

Expressing thanks to the local media, particularly the television channels for excellent cooperation in this area, he said he had little doubt that they contributed in further bringing the peoples of Guyana and India together.


A © page from:
Guyana: Land of Six Peoples

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

To Indians, there, you cannot conqure hate by hate. You have to be creative.

[radikal]

Anyway, tharsiini said that majority of Trini and Guyanese people have north Indian features, well that is just bullsh*t, I've seen some west indians that look PURE Tamil, some even have the last name as "Kalimootoo", "Pillay", "Naidu"(Tamil or Telugu), and even Andhra origins as "Rao". Lot of them lost their real identity as far as what region they are originally from, and their original language. I have a Tamil friend, and everybody thinks he is from Trinidad, I'm telling you, it is all a mix, but a good percentage of that mix is pure Tamil, skin color and features prove it.

[Beerinkol]

Really meant for "Fijians return to India" thread.

[doctorzlo]

Archie Ramdoo---->Ramudu? Sounds like Andhra origin.

[Paul Bunyan]

I am a Guyanese you guys could ask me questions so it could help you and me understand where we came from.

[HedgeYourBets]

Most Guyanese and Trinny people that I know care very little for their Indian roots and find pride in being Guyanese or Trinny. They will even be offended if called Indian.