[HedgeYourBets]

Becks..

முருகன் தமிழ்க் கடவுள்தான்.. சந்தேகமெ இல்லை..

கார்த்திக்-தான் நார்த் இண்டியன் கடவுள்

[brraverishhh]

There are slokas like "subramanya bujangam" in sanskrit. But its created in south india only.

Anyway... the sanskrit book 'AmarakOsam' written by Amarasimman ( who was really a Jain ) is having Murugan in it.
And also Kalidasa a north Indian poet has written "Kumara sambhavam" which describes the birth of Lord Muruga.

[Lillie_Steins]

Wasn't kaLidasa a bengali?
North indian poet aa

[NeroASERCH]

Originally Posted by NOV .... rishi moolam nadhi moolam aaraya koodaadhu enbaargal...

enakku mattum idhula periya interesta???
i want something to prove to my friend... so i need some info... or otherwise why the heck should i care to worry abt this...

[radikal]

When shiva is from kailash, parvathi is himavan putri, I doubt if skantha was independatly created in tn. Origin must have been where it should have been.

[S.T.D.]

I have heard that in the north Karthik is considered the son of Agni

[NeroASERCH]

south indian lit might even tell that murugan was born here rite?
who actually created that character... murugan/skandha/karthik watever...? was it someone from north/south

[NeroASERCH]

vadivEl, he is not even from India.

[tgs]

In ancient days, actually, no country system was there. If something happened in current tamilnadu land or near locations, then only if we call it belongs to tamils, I pity you.

[Big A]

In ancient days, actually, no country system was there. If something happened in current tamilnadu land or near locations, then only if we call it belongs to tamils, I pity you.

boss.. am not concerned more abt the locations...
in which literature he appeared first.. in tamil or in sanskrit or something else...

nov... apram naan visa stamping pathi ellaam kaepaen....

[brraverishhh]

vadivEl, you must understand the tamil's mind. emmadhamum sammadhamnu vera evanum sonnadhu illa.
we are totally open minded and accept everything and everyone, including gods.

we even accept past human beings as gods.

[9mm_fan]

vadivEl, you must understand the tamil's mind. emmadhamum sammadhamnu vera evanum sonnadhu illa.
we are totally open minded and accept everything and everyone, including gods.

we even accept past human beings as gods.

This IS about Murugan.

[Lillie_Steins]

inge edha pathi discussion nadakkudhu ?

edhukkum indha blog-aiyum padichu vaiyunga..

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...-shanmuga.html

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...tamil-god.html

[PhillipHer]

I hope now Vadivel understands my mention of rishimoolam, etc.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

inge edha pathi discussion nadakkudhu ?

edhukkum indha blog-aiyum padichu vaiyunga..

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...-shanmuga.html

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...tamil-god.html

madhu...
andha rendu blogayum padichum naan thaedina vidai kidaikkama dhaan hubla periyavanga kitta kaekkalaamnu thread open pannen...


nov... as u said, maybe its wrong to investigate rishimoolam...
but for now thats my task now... i cant give it up

[NeroASERCH]

I think.. Amarakosam itself is very old. In tamil kanda puranam is relatively new. And thats again originally written in sanskrit only.

IMHO Karthik is the orginal and Murugan is the modified and refined version.

[TorryJens]

The name "Murukan", according to some scholars, comes from a proto-Dravidian word for youth, freshness or beauty. There are related words in many southern Dravidian languages, but none of them refer to a deity (with the obvious exception of Malayalam). In Konda, for example, "murku" means "young men". In Telugu, "murupu" means "tender beauty" or "grace". This would obviously place his roots quite firmly amongst Tamils.

Iravatham Mahadevan takes a different view of the etymology of "Murukan". As a result, he interprets one of the signs from the Indus Valley corpus as being a reference to Murukan, which would make his worship an extremely ancient tradition of the ancestors of the Tamils. See:

http://murugan.org/research/mahadevan.htm

Interesting.


Nk. mural: to wither.

Kur. murdna: to be dried to excess.
Ga. murg: to bend; murgen: bent; murug: to bend down.

Go. moorga: humpbacked
Kui. mrupka: to kill, murder.
Malt. murke: to cut into bits.
What languages are these ?

Ta. murukku: to destroy, kill; murunku : to be destroyed.
Ta. murancu: to be old, ancient; muri: antiquity. !!

[Lillie_Steins]

Hindi-la murga-nA sEval...

sEval kodi vachiruppadhAl avarai murugA-nu koopidarAngannu kooda solluvAngO

[Peptobismol]

inge edha pathi discussion nadakkudhu ?

edhukkum indha blog-aiyum padichu vaiyunga..

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...-shanmuga.html

http://controversialhistory.blogspot...tamil-god.html

Madhu, that blog is written with a view to emphasise and glorify Karnataka and Kannada's position in India at the expense of the rest of Southern India. According to him, just about every major dynasty of southern India - Ikshavku, Rashtrakuta, Satavahana, even the Pallavas - were Kannadigas.

The author censors critical comments which he can't answer - I've commented on several entries over the past 18 months, and not one has appeared on the blog.

So take everything there with a huge helping of salt.