[doctorzlo]

How do you mean I'm a fundamentalist? I approach opposite views with anger? Something like that? You think I belong to a Thamizh militant group or something? I believe I tried to post the view that I have. Infact Thiru AP MASILMANI in this forum have said again and again about the antiquity of Thamizh and how the origin of Thamizh exceed that of Sanskirit or any other World languages. There are enough proof to say Thamizh is 'better' than Sanskirit or any other languages. Although you could jump up with emotional feelings and say 'all languages' are same. Yes but what is a language? When you look deeply into it then you finally clarify things and arrange it in order and then you look at the structure of the language which contains the origin of the words in the language, literature, literacy laws, history etc. I believe we Thamizhans don't have a good organization that protects our language. In fact the foreigners and our enemies don't want such thing to happen. As matter of fact that's why they play games with Thamizhar Issues.

nanri, vannakkam ___/___

[radikal]

who remembers the GANESH miracle?

why hasn't it happened again if it was caused by either mass hysteria or capillary action....?

can anyone confirm what they saw?

[Drugmachine]

Hi, I have a small doubt,
Whether Tamil is originated from malayalam, or Malayalam is originated from tamil?
kindly clear my doubt.

Thanx & Regards

[PhillipHer]

tamil idhu language alla ithu orru vaazkhai murai.ithan thodakkam manithan rain veelai seyya aarambithaudan..amma ithu manithanin mudhal kural..ithu tamiz thaan...

[PhillipHer]

While it is getting systematically proved that the indian
civilization is the civilization of the dravidians (Blacks)and is in
continuation of World civilization of egypt, mesapatomia,china,india
and south america and that the earlier studies were Biased by aryan
concept and domination . The level of such bias is still felt with
some aryalogist in india even today trying to rewrite history in
thier favour contrary to the references in vedas,historical
evidences and are trying to establish white homogenity in india and
their superiority over blacks.




For the sake of primary information Following is put forth:
Aryan or Arya is derived from the root word AR/ARi Which in Tamil
MEans Light,knowledge,strange This WOrd refers to anything that is
strange scarce in that sense might have refered to by the dravidians
while they met white aryans.This also referred to a stock of
dravidian rulers as Arakkan=Rakhshas=arasan=raja=aiyan=aiya etc.
The term veda Comes from the root word vi-light,revelation,expose,
exclamatory.etc.vid/viyappu/vilangu/velichham,vengai(lion/king)ari
also mean king/lion.
RG ved is nothing but corruption of these two words:
Arya vid=Rya ved
Rg=ved=Strange Knowledge Or the Knowledge of the Brahman.For Brahman
Come From the root word Pira(alien)=viya(exclamatory)=piravi(birth).
Brahman is also represented Viyappu!!
Pleasem visit:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tolkaappiyar/

[softy54534]

i am in vey big confusion that..

which is older tamil or hindi..]

please send me a mail clearly that...which came first....

[doctorzlo]

// PrAkrit was spoken by pallavAs also. the root of Sanskrit goes much deeper than you imagine.//
We only have some works from the Late Sangam, the work from the two previous sangams are almost all wiped out by floods and other things. The 'available' oldest Thamizh text is 'Tholkaapiyam' from 2,500 years or so. Nevertheless the antiquity of Thamizh can be understood from its roots and it's linguistic richness. If you should know the amount of people speaking 'Hindi' has increased after the Independance of so called Indian Union. Should I explain why and how?! Does that make Hindi superior to Thamizh according to your quote...
//it is not the age that matters. it is the usage and population of speakers that really means.//

Of course not! Sanskirit is nothing compare to Thamizh and Hindi is nothing too! The English Empire has spreaded English..does that make English superior interm of linguistic level? Of course not. Like the Thirkkural,

"oliththakAl ennAam uvati elipakai
naagam uyirpak kedum!" - Thiruvalluvar

The kural means even if you have a sea of rats, they will run away the very moment the snake start to breathe!

Similarly you could have tons of people speaking Sanskirit or hindi or w/e but it doesn't make Sanskirit or hindi or any other languages superior than THAMIZH!!!

[TorryJens]

Nanri __/__

[tgs]

Topic started by Ananth (@ 203.94.237.130) on Sun Apr 4 09:25:44 EDT 2004.


Is Tamil language originated first or Sanskrit?
and What is the proof? Please reply me soon, it will be very kind of you..

[S.T.D.]

i feel like laughing at your stupidity mara. your findings through deep research that the language that has lesser alphabets should have been the oldest makes you seem like a bafoon. if your theory is proved to be right, then it English that should the oldest of all languages. Tamil is undoubtedly one of the oldest languages of the world and the richest also. but what is the oldest literature in tamil? Tolkappiyam. it is estimated to be only 3000 years old. but certain literature upanishads etc. date back to 5000 years and more. and remember it is not the age that determines the richness of a language. it is the literary contribution and other contributions that make a language great. in that point of view both tamil and sanscrit are in the same level

[9mm_fan]

Tamilis born out of Telugu

[Lillie_Steins]

Thamizh and Sanskirit aren't at the same level. Sanskirit originated from Thamizh and NOT the other way around! Sanskirit formed from the Indo-European roots and the Prakrits and the 40% or so roots from Thamizh language. Prakrit was the aboriginal language that was spoken in now day so called North India long ago which had Thamizh origin. So intially Sanskirit has many Thamizh words with a manipulated way of alienation from Thamizh. Hence Thamizh is older than Sanskirit!

[Big A]

try to be reasonable fellas. ofcourse we love our mother tongue. but that love should never blind fold us from seeing the truth. ok, which is the oldest text in tamizh? what is its period? PrAkrit was spoken by pallavAs also. the root of Sanskrit goes much deeper than you imagine. what is wrong in accepting facts about the age of a language. if you think the richness and divinity of our beloved Tamizh would be in damage on accepting a language to be older than Tamizh, again you are underestimating the values of our beloved Tamizh and insulting it by doing so. it is not the age that matters. it is the usage and population of speakers that really means. in this area Tamil is much more superior than any other existing languages.

[Ifroham4]

Kill an ayer and get two points

[brraverishhh]

you didn't leave your e-mail mister.

[doctorzlo]

I love Tamil , it is my mother tongue. One good way to spread Tamil is by putting subtitles to the movies screened abroad which will interest others to watch the movies , that is how Hindi is getting popular .

[Paul Bunyan]

Both languages grew up together and mixed frequently. As people left India, entered, or moved in and out, words and linguistic ideas mixed. There is no such thing as "aryan" or "dravidian".
All of us share an ancient tradition extending to the day's when Kanya Kumari was the center of civilization. In fact recent archaeology has proven that the lost "atlantis" was centered around Cape Comorin, and Sri Lanka is the remanent of a continent bridging Madagascar, Australia, South East Asia, and Tamil Nadu. When it was destroyed many people spread apart, but the "dravidians" remained closests to their mother civilizations. As "aryans" arrived back, they encountered a culture that was much like their origional civilization, and moved back to settled life from the nomadic exile they had held for so long.

[Slonopotam845]

I think that Tamizh came first even before Hindi or Sanskrit.The simple reason is the lesser number of alphabets in Tamil.In Tamil we have only one KA.But in sanskrit , Hindi there are 4 alphabets in ka series like KA,KHA,GA,GHA.Same is the case in all the letters.Since Tamizh came first with lesser number of letters , these sanskrit people added extra alphabets and derived sanskrit out of tamizh.

[LottiFurmann]

I would welcome that statement if you could substantiate it.Presently i can say that if you remove sanskrit words introduced by arya brahmins in andra from telugu vocabulary it is Tamil / Proto- tamil/Sumerian by whatever name you like to call it.
As i had posted above:
Ariya=Scarce, Arinthavan=with knowledge,Arivu=Knowledge
Thiruvidam=thiravidam=dravidam
thirumozhi=thiramozhi=thramizh=thamizh=tamil(today s slang)
thiruvidan=thravidan=dravidan.
Since white skin people where first contacted by the people they
might have coined this term arya/aiyaw(todays slang)
Arinthavan has nothing to do with the term arya neither it is noble
as posed in the context of arya.

Drop your hatred towards Tamils I have requested this to Tamils as well we Lack Unity and that is why the power is not with us.
Facts are all Favourable to Dravidians.Any person who is a resident in the four southern states should be proud to be a dravidian see rahul dravid he is the only pure dravidian.color should not matter.

[Slonopotam845]

Mr. Nedunchezhiyan. You're clearly knowledgeable about Tamizh History but mostly come off sounding like a Tamil fundamentalist.