[Grapappytek]

I can really sympathize with you in your situation. Although my experience isn't nearly as bad, it has it's similarities.

Alright, at our dojo there is(or was, not sure where he has been)this one fellow who had been bogu at the time I started kendo(June last year). Anyway, after I got into bogu, I guess you could say I began to catch up on him, skill-wise. Whatever the case was, he must have felt threatened and in ji-geiko, he would start to go really all-out rough and sloppy(similar to what your two kendokas are doing). But please note, this guy is by all means a respectful and good-kendo person. He just wanted to show me who's who. Anyway, I got tired of him acting like this, so I layed some smack down. In the end though, we were pretty evenly matched.


My point: show these guys who's boss, smack them around a bit. And, put simply, when push comes to shove and the match gets more rough, taia-atari the guy on his ass and sneak a solid men in, you know the kind that really smarts. Show them what you think of their behavor.

Also, I'd talk to your sensei or sempai if it continues.


Just my advice.


-Holmgren-san

[12ZHeWZa]

Talk to sensei/sempai. There is no disrespect in raising questions about safety. I would say that it is dishonorable/disrespectful to stand by and let dangerous activities continue. For your own good (and that of your fellow kendoka), talk to sensei/sempai.


Anyone who is offended by questions of safety, does not deserve your respect anyway.

[ethigSmimbine]

Your Sensei should have some idea of how the dojo is run. His students' kendo is a reflection of his kendo/teaching/understanding of the art.

Therefore, he should have had a few words with the individuals in question else his kendo is the same as theirs then I suggest you find a new dojo

My sensei has told me on many occasions if I come up with a kendoka (one in particular) who I feel like its not worth practicing with simply say no to the practice. Kendo is your hobbie and you should be enjoying it.

and hey whats wrong with a kung fu or karate or boxer teacher?

[treawittelf]

I agree. Nip this problem in the bud before it gets even more out of control. Your sensei needs to be made aware of this and they need to stop before someone really gets hurt. The last thing you need is for them to do to someone what the guy in my signature is doing.

OMG I hope those guys haven't seen that, it would make them drool, no joke either. Tha is their style especially the main person. I don't like "telling" on people but I can't stress how much the others mean to me, I mean I have designed our patches and everything for the sake of giving my talent to good use and giving the ultimate respect for the people in the dojo the Tucson Kendo Kai and both Gattone and John Sills sempai they have taught me alot and I charish it deeply. I would give anything for these guys and girls,I just want to promote good feelings throughout our organization I don't want anyone hurt.

[estuapped]

errr fighting force with force is not the best way to go about it. it will make your kendo look bad and make people think that your kendo styles are the same.

Why not try to beat him with good kendo?

Yes I can understand that it could be very frustrating to see beginners progressing and passing you and wanting to show them who is more senior.

Some people do progress faster than others.

yeah that is definatly a challenge, this is why I will not practice with them but it kinda sucks because we lose valuable practice time. Thay literally make it so you cannot perform with good waza, you have to duck to not have your ear drum popped, it has almost happened 5 times to me with the main guy in kirikaishi (sorry again for the spelling) I like to be able to hear, and I don't want to see my wife mace anyone AGAIN although it did kinda turn me on.

[TZids16I]

To make things more clear for you...

Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.

oops I messed up on this error...

[pitoufsd]

It is hard for us to judge this guy since we have not seen his Kendo yet. What rank are they ? What is your real complaining ? Do they have bad form ? Do they hit your unprotected spot ? They can be bad because they are still beginner. Some of them can be very aggressive and use lot of power because they don't know how to control their strength. I think it is upto Sensei to make any decision for this. You should go talk with other sampai and sensei about this.

[Madjostok]

Let me ask the question again: How many yudansha do you have at a typical practice?

[fameintatenly]

I can really sympathize with you in your situation. Although my experience isn't nearly as bad, it has it's similarities.

Alright, at our dojo there is(or was, not sure where he has been)this one fellow who had been bogu at the time I started kendo(June last year). Anyway, after I got into bogu, I guess you could say I began to catch up on him, skill-wise. Whatever the case was, he must have felt threatened and in ji-geiko, he would start to go really all-out rough and sloppy(similar to what your two kendokas are doing). But please note, this guy is by all means a respectful and good-kendo person. He just wanted to show me who's who. Anyway, I got tired of him acting like this, so I layed some smack down. In the end though, we were pretty evenly matched.


My point: show these guys who's boss, smack them around a bit. And, put simply, when push comes to shove and the match gets more rough, taia-atari the guy on his ass and sneak a solid men in, you know the kind that really smarts. Show them what you think of their behavor.

Also, I'd talk to your sensei or sempai if it continues.


Just my advice.


-Holmgren-san

I really like your method, and yeah that's most likely the situation there ego is pretty unresolvible they have no humility, and believe they can beat even the best of our sempai making a comment like well if he skis me I will just kick his A$$ and let him know who is the man. That disgusted me, no respect, I'm worried about the younger students in the dojo, but like they said on E-BUDO I should just let the upset student gut them in the parking lot and do away with there brutal kendo career. I mean it wouldn't be me going to jail

[Eujacwta]

Well thankfully they don't do nito in practice with this dojo but at the University the main person did and I was the hitting dummy it took me two weeks to recover I told my sempai and I don't think anything was done about it.

Hi there,

PLEASE talk to your sensei. NOW. These two are out of control. You sensei needs to know NOW, to avoid a serious problem, that is gonna happen if they are not stopped. Will you please do that?

Kaoru

[Chito]

I agree. Nip this problem in the bud before it gets even more out of control. Your sensei needs to be made aware of this and they need to stop before someone really gets hurt. The last thing you need is for them to do to someone what the guy in my signature is doing.

[Ayyfjicg]

How long have these guys been doing kendo? Usually these types get bored and quit. I would say keep at it, and if you have to practice with these guys, why not practice your parrying techniques?

[Lkemybab]

Could you clarify a couple of points? Are these guys that you're having problems with your sempai or kohai? Has your sensei seen these guys practice?

Yes, I'm sorry, they are not ranked and according to them they need no rank , all of the sempai are very respectful I feel like Gattone sempai and John sempai are like family I would do anything for them. That is why I'm so worried about this.

[brurdefdoro]

Hello everyone,
I like to keep to myself most of the time and just read the posts and learn but I feel the need to share something with all of you and maybe get some feed back. I have been in kendo for over a year now and I really try to do the best I can as far as form and proper waza while in keiko (sorry for the spelling) but there are two kendoka in my dojo that I refuse to go against. I'm not afraid of them or anything like that but they seam to have no concept of proper cuts they just slam like new-b's. It is completely useless to try and go against them. I will try to explane in the fewest words possible how they "attack", you know when you have a small dog and it thinks it can bit the heels off of everything it comes up against ? Well, one of the guys is just like this, he just keeps bending into the attacks no good form too much power and nothing that resembles respectful attitude for other students, it's like going against a baseball player. The worst part is that we had a get together with the sempai, at his house and I found out that they were trying to make me look like some kind of drug addict, I guess they feel threatened or something because I won't practice with them. I can practice with someone who slams people and obviously doesn't make ippon on anything, it's pathetic. They never come to practice and when they do no one likes it, and no one wants to go against them due to their sloppy and unreasonable approach to the art but when we have no other bogu in our line and only new-b's we have to subject our self to this abuse, not only being slammed but having our waza stripped from us due to there un-kendo like actions. You could easly say that they are swinging baseball bats at people. The reason why I'm comeing out and putting this before all of you is because they are pissing people off that watch what they do and pretty soon, from what I hear, one of the students, not in bogu plans on hurting the main character pretty bad so he can no longer do kendo. I mean even my wife would like to mace them after practice is over, it's like they think they have something to prove like "eh I'm a big strong man watch me hit you hard and look like a UFC battle. I used to practice and be friends with these guys but not any longer, mainly because of there constant disrespect for sempai suggestions and the fact that they don't listen to reason of tradition. They think they can do anything they want and get away with it, and they do. I just don't want to see this other persons plans go through to spill guts in the dojo parking lot I don't wish this on anyone I know, but maybe it should happen. Have any of you had this kind of problem and if so how was it delt with ?
Thank you all,
Jason

[juliannamed]

To make things more clear for you...

Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.

we have a sensei but he is not in a healthy state, we must direct our information to sempai Gattone he has taken over the dojo with permission. I'm sorry I didn't clarify this, sorry to add frustration to your post.

[viiagrag]

Now, I think I understand your situation. Howcome your sensei does not say anything ? If our sensei see someone doing nito, he will jsut tell him to stop. I heard that you should start Nito when you are about 5th dan or some high rank. If our sensei sees someone is kicking or showing kungfu move, it is not acceptable. Even worse, if they continue geiko with broken shinai, it is not safe either. You should complain to sensei about the situation and ask him to be more responsible for students safety.

Well thankfully they don't do nito in practice with this dojo but at the University the main person did and I was the hitting dummy it took me two weeks to recover I told my sempai and I don't think anything was done about it.

[Zdmlscid]

How long have these guys been doing kendo? Usually these types get bored and quit. I would say keep at it, and if you have to practice with these guys, why not practice your parrying techniques?

they have been there just like 8 months long than me, I've been thinking of different way I could practice with them but I got very frightened when the main guy asked to borrow a shinai from a sempai because they break all of theirs and he let the top just fall off of it and continued to hit with it, I could just picture it going through some ones head my wife sitting on the sidelines had to say something to make him stop, all he did was laugh.

[CHEAPCIALISFORYOU]

What a priceless situation. Lead by example. Imagine Chow Yun-Fat teaching a youth about the sword, and turning his aggression into follies as he jumps about and slaps his own counters. You should begin facing them for their own good, and try to show them by example why their form is not serving them. Even if they win, just smile back, and keep trying to show them. It'll help them gain more balance going against you, than just unleashing chaos on other kids who simply cower from it.

In terms of their manner, they are obviously testing the sempai. The absence of your sensei lifted some of the boundaries in the group, and with these walls a little shorter now, some will test the discpline of the new teacher, your sempai. He may need your help in establishing his new station. The best thing you can do is focus on the way you hope this new transition should be. See the dojo as you know it can be, and others will eventually start looking on as well.

[Quick$bux]

It is hard for us to judge this guy since we have not seen his Kendo yet. What rank are they ? What is your real complaining ? Do they have bad form ? Do they hit your unprotected spot ? They can be bad because they are still beginner. Some of them can be very aggressive and use lot of power because they don't know how to control their strength. I think it is upto Sensei to make any decision for this. You should go talk with other sampai and sensei about this.

It's rather difficult to talk to sempai, and they claim that they don't need rank. I don't care about pain but the way they do kendo is like trying to learn kendo from a kung fu karate boxer. The main person I refer too is wild, very wild, and thinks they can do anything even when they are not ready for that technique, like say nito, I'm sorry but watching nito online does not justify nor does it qualify someone for to use. Not complaints from me I just will continue to refuse to keiko (sorry for the spelling) I just want to know how to handle this respectfully.

[t78VPkdO]

To make things more clear for you...

Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.
Warning !!! Talk to Sensei, not Sampai.