[chppjdf]

Does anyone know anything about this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8qsB...elated&search=

Seems a bit far fetched to me, but still cool.

Me thinks I should practice my kiai before next week's keiko...

[CtEkM8Vq]

Be careful! You might kill someone!

[BDDkDvgZ]

Ive heard about this kind of stuff. Looks fishy.

[Searmoreibe]

There was a thread here a little while back that had a lot of vids of this show. They had some pretty good stuff, but a couple of the vids, while being very interesting to watch, were a little bit suspicous.

[XinordiX]

It's not only far fetched, it's 100% pure Bull$hit.
So mush so that the I have to laugh when I see that video.
I mean, look at the guy, He's a freakin' clown!

While I think it's possible to mentally stun an oppenent for a split second with Kiai,
(I see this all the time in Jigeiko, and it happens to me as well.)

...But to knock someone out/down, ring bells from across the room,
or damage internal organs?

Need I bust out the well worn-forum quote of Occam's Razor?.
LOL

[JJoon077]

Hey kenzan, have you ever seen a person burst a wineglass with their voice alone? I saw it on mythbusters, and I know a few people who have seen it done personally. In no way am I saying this makes the Kiai thing less bullshit, but we dont know if its fake unless it has been disproven.



Does someone have the number for Mythbusters? lol.

[Auzuigcx]

Hey kenzan, have you ever seen a person burst a wineglass with their voice alone? I saw it on mythbusters, and I know a few people who have seen it done personally. In no way am I saying this makes the Kiai thing less bullshit, but we dont know if its fake unless it has been disproven.



Does someone have the number for Mythbusters? lol.

Thanks for bringing that up.
You just proved my point that it's bull$hit.
Shattering a thin crystal wine glass (while possible, but which aint easy) with a sustained precise pitched voice is real, but it can only happen under certain conditions.
What you are talking about is called forced oscillation resonance.
You can read about it here:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_333.html

As we see, you have to know the exact pitch by tapping the glass and basically having a dead-on singing expert make exact the same pitch and sustain it, which doesn't happen every time, even with an expert.

Now, can we do the same thing with the human body?
Theoretically? yes.
Practically? no.
The human body is way more complex, dense, and not at all uniform in static frequency than a piece of thin glass. Add to that that these conditions in the body change from moment to moment as we move and breathe, (especially if fighting) and also add to that the fact that it's impossible for the person "Kiai-ing" (even if he was a mathematical genius) to know all the precise frequencies from moment to moment of which to use, and at what duration to use them in (which would need to be quite long and powerful anyway, much more powerful than the human vocal cords can produce) and frankly, I know for a fact most of you all can out-Kiai this guy without much effort. ~and I haven't heard that any of you have been ringing any temple bells or knocking folks out with your Kiai lately.
As a matter of fact, I've never heard of it ever...from anyone...ever.
But wait!
He's.....Asian....and mysterious....
He must know some stuff!
LOL

Yeah. He knows how to make an idiot of himself and fool others as well.

[Flirigor]

Actually, my friend told me my Kiai makes his Mengane vibrate(no bullshit). Take that Kenzan!!!

[colmedindustry]

Proper singing makes your face vibrate. (more of a buzz, actually) I don't see how far fetched that is at all, ahmed.

edit: whoops, I thought you meant his kiai made his mengane vibrate.

[SypeKifef]

Now, can we do the same thing with the human body?
Theoretically? yes.
Practically? no.
The human body is way more complex, dense, and not at all uniform in static frequency than a piece of thin glass. Add to that that these conditions in the body change from moment to moment as we move and breathe, (especially if fighting) and also add to that the fact that it's impossible for the person "Kiai-ing" (even if he was a mathematical genius) to know all the precise frequencies from moment to moment of which to use, and at what duration to use them in (which would need to be quite long and powerful anyway, much more powerful than the human vocal cords can produce) and frankly, I know for a fact most of you all can out-Kiai this guy without much effort. ~and I haven't heard that any of you have been ringing any temple bells or knocking folks out with your Kiai lately.

Even though I agree that this has a certain bullshido aura, I am not quite ready to drop the theory all together.
I don't think "forced oscillations" (if what you mean is when a frequency happens to harmoninze with an object causing it to oscillate wildly) is what is going on. I have always thought that what he meant he was doing was just compressing air in a very effective way using his voice. It's more of a blast which makes stuff move and that I guess is not very comfortable

But then again, I am not saying that this guy is real, just that I don't think your explanation of why he is wrong is good. :P

[Waymninelia]

have always thought that what he meant he was doing was just compressing air in a very effective way using his voice. Well, wouldn´t that be called "wind"? Never seen someone get stunned by a fresh breeze...
I could imagine that he can let the bell ring though, just like the glass, why not, it is an object made to get into vibration easily.
For the human body: it has a specific resonance, but it doesn´t break like a glass, if that resonance is matched. This is because it is soft and not rigorous. Some vehicles or machines match the human resonance and can cause diseases in long-term effect.

[Vedun*]

Well, wouldn´t that be called "wind"? Never seen someone get stunned by a fresh breeze...

Nah, wasn't really thinking about air hitting them, but having his vocal cords compressing air which generates a shock wave that could make stuff start to move inside the body.

[drgshmcm]

Well, wouldn´t that be called "wind"? Never seen someone get stunned by a fresh breeze...

Maybe he never brushes his teeth.

[LarryG1978]

well, you can't control the wind....

[PypeMaypetasy]

Actually, my friend told me my Kiai makes his Mengane vibrate(no bullshit). Take that Kenzan!!!

Your friend obviously has a loose Megane. He needs to have his equipment checked.
Besides, one has zero to do with the other.
Your logic is flawed.
Sorry~! Don't blame me, blame the laws of physics.

[angelxmagic]

Even though I agree that this has a certain bullshido aura, I am not quite ready to drop the theory all together.
I don't think "forced oscillations" (if what you mean is when a frequency happens to harmoninze with an object causing it to oscillate wildly) is what is going on. I have always thought that what he meant he was doing was just compressing air in a very effective way using his voice. It's more of a blast which makes stuff move and that I guess is not very comfortable

But then again, I am not saying that this guy is real, just that I don't think your explanation of why he is wrong is good. :P

You may not like the explanation, but it changes nothing as far as logic on the premise that was given as a possible explanation goes. (If that argument is to be employed.)

To put it another way;
I don't have to prove that the tooth fairy exists to disregard it as B.S. either.
Yet, strangely enough, here we are.
The guy is just a big phony. Nothing more.
In fact, if he can prove that the is for real, or if you can prove that this is for real,
you/he can win a million dollars.

http://www.randi.org

[Ekrbcbvh]

Your friend obviously has a loose Megane. He needs to have his equipment checked.
Besides, one has zero to do with the other.
Your logic is flawed.
Sorry~! Don't blame me, blame the laws of physics.

It was a joke....

But i seriously do make his mengane vibrate, due to my crazy kiai.

[ENGINESSQ]

I don't have to prove that the tooth fairy exists to disregard it as B.S. either.

Logically, you can never prove that something does not exist. But you can have very good empirical data to say that it is highly unlikely.

[freevideoandoicsI]

Logically, you can never prove that something does not exist. But you can have very good empirical data to say that it is highly unlikely.

While I can certainly agree with that, something tells me I don't need the Heisenberg principal to formulate that it makes more sense to believe that this "Kiai-master" is a big fat charlatan rather than the outlandishly impossible premise of guy knocking people down and ringing temple bells with his only voice from across the room.

Though certain theories allow for innumerable possibilities, if we spent our time investigating every crazy claim like this in detail, we'd never get anything done.
Rather, we have to simply categorize certain things which are obviously on the very high probability list of being loopy in the "yeah-right" files.
The burden of proof is on the dude making the claim anyway.
But oh, wait....he's beyond that..he's like..a wizened oriental master of Kiai-ryu!! How dare we even question him!
LOL

Of course I'm being a bit over the top, but we see these types of things every day don't we?
He DID make me laugh though..that counts for something.

[RilmAlime67]

Maybe he just has really, really bad breath which makes his opponent seem to double up in pain...