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Old 09-18-2006, 12:28 PM   #1
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Default Kendoist, Kenshi, what to call practitioners.
So, I've noticed that a lot of people on this board tend to get super-offended whenever someone (mis)uses the words.
When do you call someone a kenshi, a kendoist, and what other terms are there?
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:43 PM   #2
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ive also heard kendoka used.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:45 PM   #3
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The folks in my dojo like to be called kendoka (only those who practice kendo, the rest of us are iaidoka).
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:50 PM   #4
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My sensei uses the expression "Kendo-ka".
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Old 09-18-2006, 01:06 PM   #5
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suffixed by the ka, e.g kendoka, iaidoka, judoka, aikidoka.
ive heard kenshi used also
never kendoist until you mentioned it im afraid
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:18 PM   #6
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From a distance, and if he's wearing bogu, anything you want!
Up close, and he's got a shinken, "Sir!"

Kendoka is probably best, kenshi a close second.
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Old 09-18-2006, 04:40 PM   #7
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In Japan I've never heard kendoka or kenshi used to discribe a modern practitioner of kendo. The suffix -ka is usually used to discribe someones occupation, so unless you make a living doing kendo it's probably not appropriate. Kenshi sounds to me like the samurai version of an old-west gunslinger.

It seems like there was a thread about this on here recently...
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Old 09-18-2006, 05:01 PM   #8
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Kendoist is good. I use it.
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Old 09-18-2006, 05:58 PM   #9
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I like to be called "Your enormousness" or "Kendo God" but most folks in the dojo call me grandpop or Ojiisan.
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Old 09-18-2006, 06:54 PM   #10
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You do not use kendoist.

If you see a kendo sensei in the dressing/locker room, it's common to greet him casually saying, "Kawaii" while pointing at his nether regions.
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Old 09-18-2006, 07:25 PM   #11
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You do not use kendoist.

If you see a kendo sensei in the dressing/locker room, it's common to greet him casually saying, "Kawaii" while pointing at his nether regions.
Indeed. But keep in mind, it's only appropriate while in the presence of your senpai.

Keep in mind that I don't speak a whole lot of Japanese, (Just key-words, and maybe a phrase here and there, but that's about it.) but from what I understand, this is how it goes:

Kendoist is a term used only in English speaking countries. It's usually used when talking to people who don't know much about Japanese culture. It makes things easier. If you tell someone that you're a kendo-ka or a kenshi, chances are they'll be like, "Huh? What does that mean?"
But if you tell them that you're a kendoist, they'll understand that you're someone who does kendo, even if they have no idea of what Kendo actually is. It saves the time in explaining that you're a practitioner of the art.

Kendo-ka is pretty much the Japanese equivalent to Kendoist. The -ka suffix means that you're a practioner of something. If you practice kendo, then you are a kendo-ka. If you draw manga, you're a manga-ka. It doesn't matter if it's your occupation or not.

Kenshi is the Japanese equivalent to Swordsmen. So even an Iaido-ka can be called a kenshi. I think.

Just out of curiosity, who's gotten offended over this? I've never seen it brought up before.
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:04 PM   #12
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I don't think that anyone has been offended about being called a kendoka or something. They might correct someone to the name they prefer, but I don't think it's anything really bad.

The problem might arise if someone called you a samurai man or something completely wrong. But who knows, there are some anal people out there.
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:22 AM   #13
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Indeed. But keep in mind, it's only appropriate while in the presence of your senpai.

Keep in mind that I don't speak a whole lot of Japanese, (Just key-words, and maybe a phrase here and there, but that's about it.) but from what I understand, this is how it goes:

Kendoist is a term used only in English speaking countries. It's usually used when talking to people who don't know much about Japanese culture. It makes things easier. If you tell someone that you're a kendo-ka or a kenshi, chances are they'll be like, "Huh? What does that mean?"
But if you tell them that you're a kendoist, they'll understand that you're someone who does kendo, even if they have no idea of what Kendo actually is. It saves the time in explaining that you're a practitioner of the art.

Kendo-ka is pretty much the Japanese equivalent to Kendoist. The -ka suffix means that you're a practioner of something. If you practice kendo, then you are a kendo-ka. If you draw manga, you're a manga-ka. It doesn't matter if it's your occupation or not.

Kenshi is the Japanese equivalent to Swordsmen. So even an Iaido-ka can be called a kenshi. I think.

Just out of curiosity, who's gotten offended over this? I've never seen it brought up before.
No. No one calls a karate or judo student a karateist or judoist
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:52 AM   #14
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The kid carrying the bamboo stick who waltzed into the dojo Friday (with his shoes on), looked at my zekken and said "hey, "Hunter" - where can I watch?" missed it. He was asked to watch from the other side of the door.

Now, "Your Eminence" wouldn't have changed the verdict, but I might have smiled a bit more at it.
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:57 AM   #15
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I'm not offended by kendo-ist, it's just a little awkward. If you're speaking to someone who doesn't know kendo, it's easiest to say "I practice Japanese fencing". "Kendo player" also works for me.

Kendoka is what my sensei uses. He gave me a funny look once when I said "kenshi". I think where he's from, that's a fancier term that implies a level of skill I didn't have.
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Old 09-19-2006, 09:23 AM   #16
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I'm not offended by kendo-ist, it's just a little awkward. If you're speaking to someone who doesn't know kendo, it's easiest to say "I practice Japanese fencing". "Kendo player" also works for me.
Yeah, "I practice kendo" is the phrase I usually use.
Kendoist sounds weird to my ears, but then I don't have english as my native language.
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Old 09-19-2006, 09:38 AM   #17
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I am a kendoist.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:10 PM   #18
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In Japan I've never heard kendoka or kenshi used to discribe a modern practitioner of kendo. The suffix -ka is usually used to discribe someones occupation, so unless you make a living doing kendo it's probably not appropriate. Kenshi sounds to me like the samurai version of an old-west gunslinger.

It seems like there was a thread about this on here recently...
actually kenshi is used quite often. If you read about kendo you will see it a lot.
Kendoka....hmm kind of rare.
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:25 PM   #19
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. . .Kenshi sounds to me like the samurai version of an old-west gunslinger.
Like John Wayne in "The Shootist"
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Old 09-19-2006, 03:30 PM   #20
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Like John Wayne in "The Shootist"
...the Duke was never "playing".
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