[PapsEdisa]

This was from e-budo, and when I saw it, I literallly sprayed my screen with beverage liquid..


http://www.e-budo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34892



Just to save time, the user is looking for a "Ninjutsu Dojo" Fukuoka, Japan.
Man is HE in for a surprise!
LOL

[assohillA]

Thank you, I was looking for some new ninjutsu stuff to laugh at.

[xtc2d6u8]

Just to save time, the user is looking for a "Ninjutsu Dojo" Fukuoka, Japan. Actually Kenzan, it may be you that is surprised. While I don't practice any of those arts, there are three separate large organizations, all based in Japan, that teach ninjutsu as a part of their curriculum. They are the Bujinkan, the Jinenkan, and the Genbukan. They are all somewhat related to each other, and teach from the same root systems. In addition, some of the koryu still teach ninjutsu as a part of their sogo bujutsu. Ninjutsu simply refers to "stealth techniques" or "spy techniques". It is the association with many wierdos on both sides of the Pacific that have given anything "ninja" a bad name.

That about exhausts my knowledge of the subject.

[xqdrocherz]

Actually Kenzan, it may be you that is surprised. While I don't practice any of those arts, there are three separate large organizations, all based in Japan, that teach ninjutsu as a part of their curriculum. They are the Bujinkan, the Jinenkan, and the Genbukan. They are all somewhat related to each other, and teach from the same root systems. In addition, some of the koryu still teach ninjutsu as a part of their sogo bujutsu. Ninjutsu simply refers to "stealth techniques" or "spy techniques". It is the association with many wierdos on both sides of the Pacific that have given anything "ninja" a bad name.

That about exhausts my knowledge of the subject.

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The next sound you hear will be that of my jaw dropping....
Wow..didn't know that!

[ZXRamon]

Actually Kenzan, it may be you that is surprised. While I don't practice any of those arts, there are three separate large organizations, all based in Japan, that teach ninjutsu as a part of their curriculum. They are the Bujinkan, the Jinenkan, and the Genbukan. They are all somewhat related to each other, and teach from the same root systems. In addition, some of the koryu still teach ninjutsu as a part of their sogo bujutsu. Ninjutsu simply refers to "stealth techniques" or "spy techniques". It is the association with many wierdos on both sides of the Pacific that have given anything "ninja" a bad name.

That about exhausts my knowledge of the subject.

But they wouldn't just teach a gai jin, would they?

[berdyanskdotsu]

It's true. In fact, they were just giving a documentary on Japanese martial arts on Discovery today, and they had a segment on Ninpo. They visited a dojo in Japan and everything. It was really interesting. And yes, they did have a few gaijin students. In fact, two of them were nanadan. Alot of sensei care more about dedication then they do about heritage.

[goldcigarettes]

When I was in Osaka, I went to check out a class from Bujinkan, and the teacher was a gaigin. Think he was an Aussie (don't remember), and all the students were gaijin

[daguy]

Just to be clear:

You should think you are "Gaikokujin." Which is the elegant and polite term for a person from another country in Japan.
"Gaijin" is used when you are being looked down upon, as if to say: ALIEN!!!
Sorry if that's off topic...
Shitsure shimasu!

[Bxbhtjnr]

Kenzan, I'm only using the term gaijin as was used by most people in Japan around me, in conversations. You are absolutely correct, but when they think you don't understand the language, they show their true colours. This is a whole other thread.

[virtuah]

when they think you don't understand the language, they show their true colours.

No truer words were spoken.
Sorry, this is off topic but I have to throw my 2 in while I can.
I use gaijin with friends and family, but take offense when called that by strangers (which can easily reach double digits on any given day). Even if it's not used with malace, I still don't like being called sub-human. Human = Japanese, anything outside of that = gaijin.

Moving closer to the subject at hand... In response to Neko kenshi
At all of the dojos I have visited/practice at, I have never been denied the chance to practice simply because I am not Japanese. In fact the Japanese usually won't outright exclude you, they just make being around extremely tough so you quit on your own accord. I have only practiced at one dojo where I was made to feel like an outsider(which is why I don't practice there anymore).
If you can't speak Japanese well that may be another story. They may feel it's a waist of time and not want to be bothered.

[ssiikmuz]

Kenzan, I'm only using the term gaijin as was used by most people in Japan around me, in conversations. You are absolutely correct, but when they think you don't understand the language, they show their true colours. This is a whole other thread.

Hehehe...my sis and two of her friends caught a cab once in Australia. They started talking in Malay about the driver whom one of them thought was cute. My Sis got dropped off first, then another girl and finally, the one that thought the guy was cute was last. The cabbie then just casually started talking to her in malay...it turned out that his wife was Indonesian(we speak a very similar language)...hahaha...man, that was embarressing.

[Nikitka]

To be honest, although the Genbukan, Bujinkan and Jinenkan are all accepted fairly generally as Ninja dojo they are not the only ones here..They are also mostly based in Kanto and for Kyushu there is nothing like these organisations there..As for teaching Gaijin (And lets not get hung up on this..It means foreigner..And I am one so it's pretty fair to use it for me..Shortening it to Gaijin doesn't mean much to me..Either way I'm NOT Japanese)..Yeah. They do. In fact, they've made a lot of money from the Gaijin and have far more dojo in the States than here in Japan...
As for Ninja related stuff in Kyushu..Hell, he's got the Taisha Ryu..But I won't tell him that..
Regards.

[herawaq]

Bring on the Koga Ryu - I would train there...

[Beatris]

I read an interesting article a week ago or so which basically claimed that ninjas never really existed, there isn't a lot of historical evidence to suggest that they ever DID exist. Of course, those who are into this sort of crap will make the argument that they concealed themselves so well that there are no references to them in historical records, but hey, whatever you want to believe.

I have little doubt that there were a special class of fighters specifically trained in espionage and covert ops, but the modern image of the ninja (if they ever existed) is likely made up entirely.

Of course, I don't have a whole lot of interest in it and haven't done much research to see if the article holds any weight, but it seems a likely scenario.

[Mimsykzr]

I read an interesting article a week ago or so which basically claimed that ninjas never really existed, there isn't a lot of historical evidence to suggest that they ever DID exist. Of course, those who are into this sort of crap will make the argument that they concealed themselves so well that there are no references to them in historical records, but hey, whatever you want to believe.

I have little doubt that there were a special class of fighters specifically trained in espionage and covert ops, but the modern image of the ninja (if they ever existed) is likely made up entirely.

Of course, I don't have a whole lot of interest in it and haven't done much research to see if the article holds any weight, but it seems a likely scenario.

Ha! Becareful when you go to bed tonight mate ... you don't know who might be waiting

I'm going to faint, it's almost as bad as saying Santa Claus don't exist! Don't try to convince me on that either.

On a serious note though, aren't there historical records of Daimyo's funding ninja villages for their own use? I'm pretty sure they existed ...

[tyclislavaify]

A good lesson, let us not be so quick to make fun of things. That being said, my toilet is still ninjer free after all this time.

[Falik]

Ha! Becareful when you go to bed tonight mate ... you don't know who might be waiting

I'm going to faint, it's almost as bad as saying Santa Claus don't exist! Don't try to convince me on that either.

On a serious note though, aren't there historical records of Daimyo's funding ninja villages for their own use? I'm pretty sure they existed ...

I couldn't really say, I've never seen any references to ninjas, or perhaps the ninjas stealthilly came into my apartment and whited out all the parts where they were mentioned.

Could happen.

[VottCetaVeivE]

I have no doubt that shinobi/ninja/spies existed...but probably less to the degree of the black suited tree climbing shuriken throwing variety hollywood has nursed us on.

I kinda compare it to Terry Pratchett's take on assasins being killers with ego. Dressed stylishly in the finest velvety black clothes...which is utterly useless for camouflage unless you happen to be in a pitch black room with no lights and no windows.

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On the subject of modern day ninjas/shinobi, during the leadup to the invasion of Malaya and the Fall of Singapore, many such operatives were working in Malaya at the time.

Villages were often visited by travelling Japanese barbers and dentists. When Singapore fell it was suddenly discovered that all those guys were officers in the Japanese army. Good ole' Toshi the Barber often turned out to be Colonel Toshi.

These modern day Shinobi were actually mapping a way to travel down to Singapore by bicycle as quickly as possible. They also marked off lumber yards, rice stockpiles, etc (they placed mirrors on the roofs of such key installations so that the bombers would not destroy these buildings).

Thailand claimed neutrality and basically let the japanese army cross its territory right up to our back yard. The Japanese armed forces commandeered every bicycle it could and this force literally rode down the peninsular on premapped courses.

When the British blew up bridges to slow the advace, the army merely took a quick detour to the nearest premarked lumber yard and would get a bridge up and running in a few hours.

Quite brilliant from a tactical standpoint...

[Jimambol]

Ninja is not meerly a myth. They're simply trained assasins called in a different language. Imagine a Japanese hear the word "secret agent" for the first time without knowing any English. The degree of exoticness is perhaps comparable ha ha. On wikipedia you can find historical references.

What I do know is that the Iga (伊賀) and Koga (甲賀) provinces are the origin of Ninjatsu, and the two clans were rivals to each other. In fact one can find in the books that some well-known samurais have ninja backgrounds, the best example is Hanzo Hattori (服部半蔵), a samurai serving Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康) in the Edo period. He was a ninja from the Iga clan.

You can read about him on http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%...8D%8A%E8%94%B5
and the links therein about ninja. If you can read Japanese, that is.

Of course I don't know about the authenticity of the modern Ninjatsu as people know outside Japan. The training of stealth techniques doesn't seem to fit the modern style of living and the society. How do you practise poisoning someone for example? Or wack a handful of sand into someone's eyes? The true ninjatsu or ninja is perhaps best unknown.

[forextradinginfo]

In fact one can find in the books that some well-known samurais have ninja backgrounds, the best example is Hanzo Hattori (服部半蔵), a samurai serving Tokugawa Ieyasu (徳川家康) in the Edo period. He was a ninja from the Iga clan. Please show me any reference in a history book to this particular statement. I have heard it before, but no one can place a reference to it. They actually have this written at the Ninja museum in Japan, but they had no references there either.

Never use Wikipedia as a reference. Please be aware that anyone can place whatever they wish in Wikipedia, whether it is accurate or not.