[eladiopsislab]

I found this expression in Pali-Canon, Sri Lanca edition page368ff.This expression i only found in this chapter. The whole sentence is: There is no spiritual birth. It´s discussion betwwen Kassapo and Payasi, Kassapo denys spiritual birth.
My question is: Is this expression mentioned more often in Dighanikayo?
My interpretation would be, of the the phrase that there is a spititual birth, that the positive Karma is being transferred to the next reincarnation?
I would be very glad if i was given a profound answer
anando

[leahjhburton]

Hi anando

I'm not sure what sutta exactly you're referring to.

But in the Buddha's teaching there are several kinds of born beings:

• born from an egg
• born from a womb
• spontaneously born or mental birth (of a state of mind)

[gtyruzzel]

in the Buddha's teaching, there is also birth of 'self' due to ignorance

There is the case where an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person assumes form, feeling, perception, fabrication &/or sense consciousness to be 'self'. That assumption is a fabrication.

Now what is the cause, what is the origination, what is the birth, what is the coming-into-existence of that fabrication?

To an uninstructed, run-of-the-mill person, touched by that which is felt born of contact with ignorance, craving arises. That fabrication is born of that.

SN 22.81 and there are the arahants, which have ended 'birth'

Now at that time a large number of monks had declared final gnosis in the Blessed One's presence: "We discern that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for the sake of this world.'

SN 12.70 When the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace. 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall not be' is a construing. By going beyond all construing, he is said to be a sage at peace.

Furthermore, a sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die, is unagitated and is free from longing. He has nothing whereby he would be born.

MN 140 ***

[htDgExh8]

I found this expression in Pali-Canon, Sri Lanca edition page368ff.This expression i only found in this chapter. The whole sentence is: There is no spiritual birth. It´s discussion betwwen Kassapo and Payasi, Kassapo denys spiritual birth.
My question is: Is this expression mentioned more often in Dighanikayo?
My interpretation would be, of the the phrase that there is a spititual birth, that the positive Karma is being transferred to the next reincarnation?
I would be very glad if i was given a profound answer
anando

Is it DN 23 - Payasi sutta?

It was not spoken by the Buddha. The sutta is a dialogue between kumara kassapa and Payasi (a prince). It is believed that the the dialogue happened after the Buddha's death, if it happened at all. This sutta is very likely a third-party addition with no or little basis on Buddha's teachings.