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Old 07-16-2010, 01:20 AM   #1
deermealec

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Originally Posted by nowheat But I have seen nothing in the suttas that is as clear as the above, on the subject of all the talk about samsara and cyclic existence as being in one life.
The Buddha goes even further and more restrictive than just "one life" in his description of the process of paticcasamuppada -- he points out that it happens right here, right now. He is extremely clear about this:
I can read the quote thus: Once you understand the Buddha's teaching, you will have no need to ask questions about your past, how it led to the present, or who you'll be in the future, because you have opened your Eye and know the answers, you have now seen it for yourself.

He is not saying "Dependent Origination describes just this life" nor can I find where he's said "There is no rebirth after the breakup of the body" -- all he says in this quote is that once you understand the teaching you'll have no more questions.

I understand what you think it says -- I think it says that too -- but it is just as easily read the other way. It's not the Buddha stating *clearly* that dependent origination shows us that there is no rebirth.

(I am working on answering your previous post but your citations are long -- I've read the first some time ago; the second I cannot find what you're referencing -- can you give me a page number for the MN? It's a large introduction and names mentioned in it are not included in the index so I cannot find his reference to Buddhadasa Bhikkhu's theories. I find statements like "The basic causal pattern underlying the process is that defined by the teaching of dependent origination...which also demonstrates how rebirth is possible without a reincarnating self." (p 45) or "According to the usual interpretation, the series of twelve factors extends over three lives..." (p 30) which would indicate to me that if Bodhi is going to discuss Buddhadasa's theory in his introduction to the Majjhima Nikaya, it is going to be to dismiss it. And thanks for the last link -- long, will look at it.)
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