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Old 04-11-2010, 03:54 PM   #21
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Well doesn't the 4NT and the 8FP hinge on the belief of reincarnation?
Hi FFD,

No.

The 8FP is contained within the Fourth Noble Truth. .

Here's a direct ]URL[/url]

('Reincarnation' is a term used in Tibetan Buddhism because of the reincarnate tulku system other traditions usually say 'rebirth'.)


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Old 04-12-2010, 06:33 AM   #22
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So essentially one can follow the Truth's/Path and be a Buddhist without even having specific beliefs about reincarnation/rebirth?

Where does the concept of reincarnation/rebirth originate from if not The Buddha's teachings?
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Old 04-12-2010, 08:28 AM   #23
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The concept of rebirth/reincarnation didn't originate with Buddhism it was already in India.

I'll let someone else answer you now,FFD, I'm not the spokesperson here for everyone's questions.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:32 AM   #24
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Well doesn't the 4NT and the 8FP hinge on the belief of reincarnation?
No, it doesn't. The 4NT and 8FP are the antidote to the constant reactive hungry and fearful patterns of mind that arise out of our ignorance regarding the nature of circumstances and appearances.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:35 AM   #25
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Where does the concept of reincarnation/rebirth originate from if not The Buddha's teachings?
It is very ancient - at least 6000 years old and likely very much older...and up until very recently in the history of human thought it had nothing to do with post-mortum, literal rebirth.
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:59 PM   #26
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So essentially one can follow the Truth's/Path and be a Buddhist without even having specific beliefs about reincarnation/rebirth? Is animal-human rebirth a mandatory belief to be a Theravada Buddhist?
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Old 04-12-2010, 02:01 PM   #27
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It is very ancient - at least 6000 years old and likely very much older...and up until very recently in the history of human thought it had nothing to do with post-mortum, literal rebirth.
Why do Buddhists believe in literal rebirth?
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Old 04-12-2010, 02:16 PM   #28
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Why do Buddhists believe in literal rebirth?
Some do, some don't. Those that do believe in it adhere to orthodox interpretations of the teachings.
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Old 04-12-2010, 02:21 PM   #29
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So essentially one can follow the Truth's/Path and be a Buddhist without even having specific beliefs about reincarnation/rebirth? Is animal-human rebirth a mandatory belief to be a Theravada Buddhist?
Buddhism is a practice and a way of life, not a dogma - there are no beliefs in Buddhism - the practice and the way of life dissolves belief. There's nothing mandatory in Buddhism. We're on our own with the practices, and we test the teachings with our experience of them.
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Old 04-12-2010, 02:25 PM   #30
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Is animal-human rebirth a mandatory belief to be a Theravada Buddhist?
I know of Theravada practitioners who don't believe in rebirth other than as changes in the present lifetime as Element illustrated.

This might be helpful to you

"Anatta and Rebirth" by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:19 PM   #31
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Some do, some don't. Those that do believe in it adhere to orthodox interpretations of the teachings.
Buddhism is a practice and a way of life, not a dogma - there are no beliefs in Buddhism - the practice and the way of life dissolves belief. There's nothing mandatory in Buddhism. We're on our own with the practices, and we test the teachings with our experience of them.
These two statements would seem to conflict a little bit. Because those who adhere to orthodox interpretations would likely find you're not a Buddhist, or not a very good one, if you didn't believe in rebirth, not killing insects, etc.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:22 PM   #32
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I know of Theravada practitioners who don't believe in rebirth other than as changes in the present lifetime as Element illustrated.

This might be helpful to you

"Anatta and Rebirth" by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu
URL
Thanks I'll give this a read some time. I was actually willing to believe in rebirth in the capacity of human to human, but It's nice to know that you can even not believe in it at all if you so choose.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:28 PM   #33
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Thanks I'll give this a read some time. I was actually willing to believe in rebirth in the capacity of human to human, but It's nice to know that you can even not believe in it at all if you so choose.
The majority of Buddhists around the world do believe in rebirth - but its good to remember that the Buddha's teachings are to understand and overcome suffering in this present lifetime. Whether one believes in rebirth or not, there's plenty to do right now !
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