[Crazykz]

I like DazzlaF1's points system too due to it having a larger gap between P1 and P2 and making the jump from current 10 to 15 for P1.
Also top 8 finishers in points should be enough not 10!
You need to earn the points, not just get them because you are down in 11/12th and a couple of cars break down in front of you.

[irrelaAnnekly]

Doesn't sound too bad. When I first saw the story I thought Bernie had somehow brought the medals back, thank God not!

[leyliana]

I agree with your system.

Seconded. Dazzla's system is great.

It will be interesting though, to see how the Todt-FIA reacts to the teams's proposal. We all know how the Max-FIA reacted in February when they completely ignored the FOTA proposal and instead voted to the idiotic medal system.

[Talicoabilk]

10-6-4-3-2-1.

Wasn't broken when they changed it. Isn't broken now.

Bernie can go **** himself!

[laperuzdfhami]

So the winner gets more points...so? If those chasing him can't follow closely enough to be able to challenge then making a win worth more doesn't really change anything.

Before making changes like this the powers that be need to look at the cars, and circuits, first.

[legal-advicer]

So the winner gets more points...so? If those chasing him can't follow closely enough to be able to challenge then making a win worth more doesn't really change anything.

Before making changes like this the powers that be need to look at the cars, and circuits, first.

With all due respect, I disagree. Recently I watched a 1992 race, the German GP. It was a great race, but the overtaking was extremely difficult, even with a vastly superior car. James Hunt said that overtaking is too difficult. I think that this is normal and expected. There is nothing wrong with this. Exceptional races are like this - exceptional. Overtaking in F1 today is what it should be - possible, but very, very hard. But Jenson and Lewis proved that it is possible. However, I do think that it will be a mistake to make it too easy, like in a 125cc race. Maybe that was the way in the 60s and 70s but that was a long, long time ago. For the last 10, maybe 15 or 20 years we had seasons with dominating cars, with difficult overtaking, with cars deciding who is the WDC. This is normal. It's part of the game. F1 is not and must not be like club racing or even touring car racing. The last seasons in the sport was tremendous. Kimi chasing Fred in 2005. Michael chasing Fred in 2006, the great battle between the old and the new king. 2007 - the arrival of Lewis, the battle with Alonso, the stunning championship of Kimi. 2008 - the thrilling duel between Lewis and Felipe. 2009 - the faerie tale story of Jenson, the rise of Vettel. It is unfair to ask for more IMO. It is unfair to want to turn this wonderful, dramatic sport into 125 cc or WTCC. The only thing which can be improved is the reward which the winner gets. That is. The rest IMO is stupid. Check soccer. Can you imagine, after Greece won the European championship with defensive game, to want to change the rules? It will be weird. Sometimes this happend. The next EC Spain won with magical play.
Same with F1. We will have seasons like 2004 and like 2008. It's part of the tradition of F1.
Sorry for the long, slightly OT topic.

[laperuzdfhami]

Overtaking in F1 today is what it should be - possible, but very, very hard. But Jenson and Lewis proved that it is possible. However, I do think that it will be a mistake to make it too easy...

I agree I certainly don't want it being made easy, but attempts to make it easier last year didn't really work and I think, rather than changing the points system, the FIA should be looking at the cars themselves first (and maybe the circuits) to reduce the influence of the aero to increase the possibilities of overtaking.

If they were to do that then the incentive of a greater spread of points, and increase in the value of a win, would have more of an effect in terms of the racing.

As it is, changing the points with the cars as they are won't really make much difference IMHO.

[casinochniks]

They should go abck to the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 system. Worked well and rewarded the winner nicely.

[casinochniks]

10-6-4-3-2-1.

Wasn't broken when they changed it. Isn't broken now.

Bernie can go **** himself!

100%

[defenderfors]

Expanded Grid?

The last time we actually had the full 26 cars on the grid was Monaco 1995, after the demise of Simtek. Grids were limited to 26 back in 1976, whilst the 107% rule was introduced in 1996.
I don't understand why points are being extended, when the number of cars is only just back to a "normal" grid.

If anything there will probably some sort of calculation around the points system to link it to TV money, and linking it to the number of points the teams score. That way because everything has been skewed upwards, the "bigger" teams are likely to get a bigger slice of the pie.

Winning drivers and teams will always end up on top (except for one year when Prost was penalised for being more consistent than Senna), and I think that this is a farce.

but these days its not uncommon for nearly all 20 cars to finish, with the long term engine and gearbox rules the cars are far more consistent than even 5 years ago, let alone 15-20yrs ago. returning to 26 cars i think we'll see in excess of 20 cars finishing most races, and with the competitiveness of the midfield i think top 10 scoring is more than fair.

i'm not convinced with the 25-20 etc structure, but its not going to massivley alter things.

with only top 8 scoring it could quite easily be a Mclaren, Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari lock put week after week if we have ever increased reliability, giving teh top 10 something extra to race for is good IMO, and its not like it will reward everyone, not even half the fiield, so you still have to be pretty good to make the points

[defenderfors]

Since you went thru the trouble of calculating it, would you mind posting the entire list here too? I'd like to see how it looks (and yes, I am too lazy to do it myself!)

That said, would it have changed any of the 1-pointer seasons 2007 and 2008?

Actual 2009 points

1. Jenson Button 95
2. Sebastian Vettel 84
3. Rubens Barrichello 77
4. Mark Webber 69.5
5. Lewis Hamilton 49
6. Kimi Raikkonen 48
7. Nico Rosberg 34.5
8. Jarno Trulli 32.5
9. Fernando Alonso 26
10. Timo Glock 24
11. Felipe Massa 22
12. Heikki Kovalainen 22
13. Nick Heidfeld 19
14. Robert Kubica 17
15. Giancarlo Fisichella 8
16. Sebastien Buemi 6
17. Adrian Sutil 5
18. Kamui Kobayashi 3
19. Sebastien Bourdais 2

New Points System

1. Jenson Button 230.5
2. Sebastian Vettel 203
3. Rubens Barrichello 183
4. Mark Webber 175
5. Lewis Hamilton 120.5
6. Kimi Raikkonen 119
7. Jarno Trulli 78
8. Nico Rosberg 75.5
9. Timo Glock 63.5
10. Fernando Alonso 62
11. Felipe Massa 48
12. Heikki Kovalainen 46
13. Nick Heidfeld 44
13. Robert Kubica 44
15. Giancarlo Fisichella 26
16. Sebastien Buemi 16
17. Adrian Sutil 13
18. Kamui Kobayashi 8
19. Sebastien Bourdais 6.5
20. Kazuki Nakajima 5
21. Nelsinho Piquet 1


apologies for the formatting.

not looked at any other seasons.

[effebrala]

10-6-4-3-2-1 was the system I grew up with, was great for it's time, and I still subconsciously think of 10-6-4-3-2-1 when I think of "motor sport points systems" but sadly with the annoying reliability of F1 cars these days, it's outdated. I'm strongly against change for change's sake (i.e. 99% of changes made since the end of 2002), but the points system isn't one of them, this is change that's needed. 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 was an awkward half-arsed measure that resulted in the winners not being rewarded enough. A complete overhaul has been needed for a few years now. In my book: If you're going to change something, do it with no half-measures, then leave it alone for a long time.

As for the all time stats, well yes this will skew them massively, but with all the various slight changes over the years, and the progressive increase in the calendar (only six races in 1950!), they are a bit skewed anyway - David Coulthard has near enough twice the points of Juan Manuel Fangio, even allowing for the fact that his career was twice as many years long, that still says something.

All points are, and were, ever meant for, is deciding the most worthy world champion in a particular season, not for determining the greatest ever driver (which no stat can do, but especially not points).

[brilkyPlayday]

Too extreme a jump in my view, you may as well rip up Schumacher's record of 1369 if they introduce that seeing champions would score in excess of 300 points to win the title

Id go with this, it would fit in with Bernie's vision of rewarding race winners more

1st - 15
2nd - 10
3rd - 8
4th - 7
5th - 6
6th - 5
7th - 4
8th - 3
9th - 2
10th - 1

I like the new system however agree on the records front. There should be some sort of special record system where points are always worked out at 10-6-4-3-2-1 to allow fair comparison between different drivers and era's.

The thing I would say here is it really does promote reliability as key. Imagine retiring from the lead - thats zero points for you, and say your contender is having an average day in 4th. He gets 10! Thats twice as much as now.

If we have 26 cars this sytem works. If they ever go back to 20/22 then we would need to look at changing it again.

[brilkyPlayday]

I must add also that there should be a larger points gap between 1st and 2nd compared to the rest to allow drivers to go for the win.

Also, 7th and 8th need sorting out.

[Phywhewashect]

Code:

Code

Pos Pnts Gap 1   25    2   20   5 3   15   5 4   10   5 5   8    2 6   6    2 7   5    1 8   3    2 9   2    1 10  1    1

You have a two point get between 4th and 5th, and between 5th and 6th.
Then you have a 1 point get bweetn 6th and 7th, then a two point gap between 7th and 8th, then back down to a one point gap beween 8th, 9th and 10th.

That doesn't make any sense at all!

Also you have the same points gap between 1st, 2nd and 3rd, which shouldn't be the case either, the 1st placed driver should open up more of a points gap to the second placed than the second placed dees to the third.

Other than that, top 10 scoring is a good idea

DazzlaF1's system makes much more sense
Code:

Code

Pos Pnts Gap 1   15 2   10   5 3   8    2 4   7    1 5   6    1 6   5    1  7   4    1 8   3    1 9   2    1 1   1    1

A smooth curve in points differences, plus the winner gets significantly more points than those behind.

[Wheegiabe]

get ready to change the pickems system

[Ilaubuas]

Nakajima and Piquet both get points (piquet only one point)

That's the best argument against this new scheme that I've heard yet

[Ilaubuas]

Seems like a drastic change but does reward winners more.

As others have pointed out it doesn't really change the proportional differences between 1st, 2nd and 3rd - but you're not the only one to have made this inference Christophulus. They asked Jenson Button about it on Radio 5 this morning and he said he thought it would be an improvement given the bigger gap between 1st and 2nd.
To be fair he had no idea the points system was changing until they asked him what he thought of it. I guess no-one is keeping him informed while he's between jobs!

[cigattIcTot]

As others have pointed out it doesn't really change the proportional differences between 1st, 2nd and 3rd - but you're not the only one to have made this inference.

Agreed, once I did the maths it doesn't make sense.

Looks to be official though

A statement from today's meeting of the World Council said: "Due to the expanded grid of 13 teams, and further to the recommendation of the F1 Commission, a new points system will be in place for the 2010 season."

The new system will award points in the following order: 25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80531

[fount_pirat]

So the winner gets more points...so?

Almost everyone gets more points, where's the big difference?
The only thing different that will happen is that the new teams will be able to luck into a point every now end then, when the big guys dnf, and they can lure a sponsor easier saying that they've scored F1 championship points.