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Old 08-12-2008, 07:49 PM   #1
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Nope, she should have stuck to why she was a better candidate.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:05 PM   #2
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I thought Hawaii was in the U.S.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:29 PM   #3
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does this sound a bit pathetic??
every speech should contain the line you were born in the middle of america to the middle class in the middle of the last century
let's explicitly own "american" in our programs, the speeches and the values. he doesn't. make this a new american century, the american strategic energy fund. lets use our logo to make some flags we can give out. lets add flag symbols to the backgrounds.
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:53 PM   #4
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How is the Rodham family middle class?
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Old 08-12-2008, 09:18 PM   #5
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Originally posted by MarkG
does this sound a bit pathetic?? It appears that Mark Penn believes the main of the electorate to be rather conservative in its presidential choice. He believes that the voters will go with the known commodity -- somebody well within their comfort zone that they think they can trust.
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Old 08-12-2008, 11:49 PM   #6
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It also appears that Mark Penn ****ed up Hillary's campaign.

Well that's why this is coming out now. Penn is trying to show that he DIDN'T **** up Hillary's campaign. Hillary wouldn't listen to him.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:21 AM   #7
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By extension, what do you think about McCain taking this approach in the future? Um, future?
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:33 AM   #8
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Originally posted by Victor Galis
Wasn't McCain born in Panama though? Of course, this is a conversation that McCain wants to have.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:36 AM   #9
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I don't know. McCain seems to be going for the hatemonger vote. His entire campaign seems to be not what he can do, but why you should hate the other guy. I wouldn't be surprised to see this tactic come out fully in the next few weeks.
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:00 AM   #10
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Someone hasn't been watching McCain's latest ads... then again, what do you expect from the Obama Kool-Aide Crew .
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:23 AM   #11
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"Lack of American Background"? Holy jumping ****ing Jesus. One would think that's exactly what America needs in a leader - someone with experience on what goes on outside of America for once.
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:35 AM   #12
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Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign is going negative in its advertising against the expected Democratic nominee, Sen. Barack Obama.

The Wisconsin Advertising Project, a nonpartisan group that monitors and analyzes political advertising, finds that ads aired by McCain and the Republican National Committee are "more negative" than those aired by Obama. Ninety percent of Obama's ads are positive and don't mention McCain. One third of McCain's campaign ads are negative, researchers found.
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And all of the RNC's ads compare the two candidates, referring to Obama negatively, the research group says. http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/...nst-obama.html
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:56 AM   #13
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Nah, I don't think stronger attacks against Obama would have worked. I think Obama turns fire extremely well, he's like a teflon candidate. You just look stupid afterwards, I think it's going to hurt you more than not, you have to find some hard facts and not try to smear him with nonsense. And Obama has good writers too so .. just better stick to your own thing and try to swing it from your own field rather than try to muddy things up with this one. You have to be extremely clean yourself in order to do it, and Obama is one of the cleanest candidates. Hillary sure doesn't have a clean record. So better just keep quiet IMO.
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Old 08-13-2008, 11:13 AM   #14
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This is just more evidence that Hilary was, in fact, a lousy executive. Flawed as he is, Obama was the better choice; he assembled a smart team that could work together in a disciplined fashion, understand obstacles, and react quickly and effectively to unexpected events. It seems to me that that's what you want in a president -- better, certainly, that someone who surrounds herself with sycophants and bickering egomaniacs she can't control.
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Old 08-14-2008, 12:38 AM   #15
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Incidentally, Lieberman recently said that Obama isn't "putting America first," and the McCain campaign endorsed his claim...

So yeah, I think it's safe to say that McCain's going to run a campaign largely based on vicious jingoism (see, i.e. his emphasis on Hamas' supposed endorsement of Obama). On the upside, in the process he's going to permanently **** his brand and have trouble getting re-elected to the Senate in two years.
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Old 08-14-2008, 08:05 PM   #16
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he bears no resemblance to his former self Sadly, he tried it the "right" way and lost. This time he means to win.

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Old 08-14-2008, 09:26 PM   #17
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Why would he start being ashamed now?
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:30 PM   #18
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I eagerly await my next opportunity to try and vote Lieberman out of office.

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