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Originally posted by Patroklos
Did the other 35 passengers thing 1:35 odds was not good enough to go help? You ever been on a Greyhound bus? It's extremely cramped. At best, two or three people might be able to gang up on the guy with the knife, and one or two of them would have to be going over seats. Not good odds to avoid being stabbed at all. ****, I wouldn't even have gone for the door. I would have gone through the window to get out. |
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Eyewitness accounts:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/National Cody Olmstead I was sitting on the bus and we just left the town of Brandon and we were watching Zorro and the next thing I know I hear somebody scream and I look back and there's some big guy holding this little fellow up between the bathroom door and the seat. And he was moving. It kind of looked like a fight but somebody said a knife, so we all run off the bus – he was getting stabbed. So I'm making sure everybody's okay right outside and these other guys are containing the door. Then they went back on the bus and come off the bus and told everybody to get back 'cause they thought he was coming out. His hand come out the door with the knife, looked like it was trying to cut their... He went back on the bus and then they brace the door and he come back standing in the doorway with the head, looked at them, dropped the head, went back and started cutting buddy back up. So they make us leave and go up by the tractor trailer and I'm standing by the tractor trailer and it's starting to get dark and the cops are there and he comes up and he picks the head up and he's waving it in the window. I just smoked a cigarette with this man [the victim] earlier, the head, and he's shaking it back and forth at the window and it's ... intense right, it's sickening. Garnet Caton He put his bags in the overhead compartment. He didn't say a word to anybody. He seemed totally normal. He had sunglasses on. He sat down. And then, about a half an hour later, we heard this blood-curdling scream and turned around and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly, repeatedly, like, I dunno, must have been 40, 50 times in the neck and in the chest area. When he was attacking him, he was calm as like, it was like he was at the beach. He (was) totally calm, he didn't say anything. There was no rage or, or anything. He was just like a robot stabbing the guy. We exited the bus. Everybody got off the bus. But a few of us, me and the trucker and one of the Greyhound drivers went back on the bus to go see what was going on and that's when we saw ... he had the guy on the ground, he was cutting his head off and pretty much gutting him. That trucker ... he had a crowbar and we ran and got a hammer and stuff. Me and the other bus driver, there, tried to guard the door; put our bodies up against the door and, you know, waiting for him to come out and whatnot. And he went back and brought the head to the front and pretty much, you know, displayed it to us like that and then dropped it on the ground in front of us. Very calmly, all very calmly, he was wearing sunglasses and like, you know, it was no big deal to him. |
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A colleague of mine from Texas said "If somebody on that bus had a gun this wouldn't have happened."
It's a peculiar thing to say. Considering that he immediately stabbed a prone victim in the neck, the chances of somebody else having a gun stopping this in time is pretty slim. On the other hand, if the psycho had a gun, this would've been much worse... Texans and their guns. ![]() |
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I find the response to the episode disturbing. Both to the act itself but also from the response of some people who think an appropriate response is a cheap quip: not just to this incident but other similar events.
In the circumstances, I actually think the passengers and driver reacted and behaved well: no way would you try to tackle this guy head on: apart from aisle issue limiting the number who could respond and the odds, he would sue you for assault or something or breach of his human rights to attack somebody. It's remarkable that there was only one death (appalling), the passengers could have really panicked, the driver swerved and so on.. |
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It's the Prairie provinces. Everyone knows that the most criminals in Canada come from there.
Look at the 2007 murder rates by city in Canada: http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/080717/d080717b.htm Code: Code
City Murder Rate Winnipeg 3.6 Saskatoon 3.6 Edmonton 3.3 Calgary 3.1 Trois-Rivieres 2.7 Sudbury 2.5 Regina 2.5 Vancouver 2.4 Toronto 2.0 Saint John 2.0 Montreal 1.6 Hamilton 1.6 Ottawa 1.6 Thunder Bay 1.6 Halifax 1.8 |
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City Murder Rate Detroit 47.3 Washington DC 29.1 Houston 18.2 Chicago 16.4 Dallas 15 Los Angeles 12.4 Winnipeg 3.6 Saskatoon 3.6 Edmonton 3.3 Calgary 3.1 Trois-Rivieres 2.7 Sudbury 2.5 Regina 2.5 Vancouver 2.4 Toronto 2.0 Saint John 2.0 Montreal 1.6 Hamilton 1.6 Ottawa 1.6 Thunder Bay 1.6 Halifax 1.8 |
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