[BoBoMasterDesign]

Florida, Virginia, Nevada, Arizona, and Idaho.
Idaho? Arizona? What are you smoking Oerdin?

Florida is lost to the Democrats unless they nominate Hillary.

[Gulauur]

Originally posted by snoopy369
And then you look at the overwhelming support for things like public healthcare. It's not quite as clear cut as you think.

Have you even seen what sort of crap they're calling 'public health care'? We might support it in polls, but when it comes to actually PAYING for it... You pay more now.

You really need to familiarize yourself with facts.

[Sipewrio]

Originally posted by DanS
I've thought for a while now that Obama is a strong candidate. But it seems odd that he was blown out in a state like Kentucky. Couldn't carry California. Couldn't carry Texas. Couldn't carry Pennsylvania. All the while he was the presumptive nominee.

Weak. You just hate black people.

[surefireinvest]

So does anyone want to bet me that come December Ben will be sporting an avatar that depicts two homosexuals fornicating over an altar?

[Cd9JfGHR]

The Republican party is hurting right now (as three consecutive loses in what should have been secure districts show), the Republicans haven't actually gotten rid of the Ron Paul forces yet, which may cause some issues at the convention.

On top of that McCain's crowds are not particularly enthusiastic, while Obama is drawing immense, very intense crowds. Polls are fine and dandy, but what counts on election day is voter mobilization. In the South there will be massive black turnout, and this could force Republicans, who will have far less money to spend on advertising than Democrats, to spend money in places that should be secure for them, allowing Democrats to outspend them in swing states. Democratic turnout in the primaries has been much greater than republican turnout.

I mean, lets look at Ohio's primary:
at that point it was a sure thing that McCain was going to be the nominee, and yet he got 60% of the vote. A little more than a million republicans voted in the Primary, while almost 2.2 Million Democrats voted. Even is say 30% of those that voted for Hillary decided to go with McCain instead of Obama, and ALL the republicans who voted came out in full force for McCain, that would be:

Obama with 1.8 Million and McCain with 1.4 Million. And yes, this does not account for "independents", or people who did not vote in the general, but even just going by these numbers, the simple enthusiasm gap is going to be a huge albatross around the Republican's neck. Add to that that the leader or the party right now is electoral Kryptonite and that most Republican candidates can't run away from the guy fast enough, and its hard to see republicans picking up ANY state won by the Democrats in 2004, and it looks likely that Democrats will pick up several.

[DoctorWeryDolt]

Originally posted by Arrian


If this is true (and I don't believe it is), then I am sorry to say that you're a fool.

But I don't think you're a fool, any more than I think you are now hard-right. You were center-right 5 years ago and are center-right now.

-Arrian No Aggie is actually correct. Righties have by and large been driven away from Poly leaving it lurching to the left. The folk that remain with even centrist tendencies tend therefor to be cast as hard right wingers save Imran who went full throated commie.

[MilenaJaf]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


No Aggie is actually correct. Righties have by and large been driven away from Poly leaving it lurching to the left. The folk that remain with even centrist tendencies tend therefor to be cast as hard right wingers save Imran who went full throated commie. Some righties ran away. So did a number of loony toons lefties, as I recall (and I'm not even thinking of Ted).

Besides, you didn't say you were a moderate who was "cast" as a hard core right-winger. You said you had been aggravated into becoming a hard-core righty.

-Arrian

[Rasklad]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Obama is the furthest left senator of all the Democrat senators. Ben has gone the way of Ned and is now creating his own universe to live in.

[egoldhyip]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Idaho? Arizona? What are you smoking Oerdin?

Florida is lost to the Democrats unless they nominate Hillary. Naw, I'm more confident then ever that Hillary is angling for the VP spot and a party unity ticket is in the offing.

[Kliopeion]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
No Aggie is actually correct. Righties have by and large been driven away from Poly leaving it lurching to the left. The folk that remain with even centrist tendencies tend therefor to be cast as hard right wingers save Imran who went full throated commie. You realize comments like that may make people think you are a far right guy?

Ogie and Newsmax coming to similar conclusions .

[VottCetaVeivE]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe

True enough by virtue of the ground under my feet shifting left.

What was centrist is now hard right.
For example I was agnostic/skeptical about invading Iraq. Today I still hold to we did it we are responsible for fixing it. That today sounds very hard right on these forums. First part: ok (though I think you exaggerate), but that's a different claim than the one I originally responded to.

Second part: I don't think that qualifies as "very hard right" here. I was against the invasion, and still think that we have a responsibility to try and figure out a way to prevent all-out chaos upon our departure. I am not branded a wingnut, and my position is within spitting distance of your own.

You've developed a persecution complex.

-Arrian

[rozalinasi]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe

For example I was agnostic/skeptical about invading Iraq. Today I still hold to we did it we are responsible for fixing it. That today sounds very hard right on these forums. LIAR!

[dicemets]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe

Not so much. Your view is tolerated here mostly because you like to bash Bush. Were you to actually call a spade a spade and point out that much of the political chicanery going on to day is actually injurious to the goals you would also be branded a hack and right wing nutjob. I bash Bush because he is a terrible President. It brings me no joy.

I don't even understand the rest of your post, sorry. What chicanery, specifically? What spade shall I name? Who would call me hack?

I call spades spades all the time, Ogie. See the "bashing Bush" part.

-Arrian

[b3JOkwXL]

30% approve of Bush's Presidency. So therefore, I'd imagine the "center" would naturally not like the current Administration.

[Imalaycle]

I don't like him either, but for reasons probably most on these boards probably don't share. Namely excessive domestic spending, new entitlements (senior prescription benefits) etc.

On the other hand, I shudder to think the opposition party alternatives.

[UrUROFlS]

IN the primary, more people voted from Obama than turned out for the Republican Primary. Again, it's irrelevant. Do you sincerely believe that the turnout in the general election will be 2-1. I look at the raw numbers, not the ratio. If the raw numbers were over the total voting in the general election, then yes, there would be cause for concern. The ratio means nothing, given that there is a close race in one, and the other is no contest.

So Ben, do you have anything even remotely close to evidence for your statement about Obama being in "trouble" in Pennsylvania, or is it just a groundless opinion based on your particular political bent? The fact that he lost to Hillary by 10 percentage points, and the fact that he only carried the Philadelphia city is cause for concern. Neither of these are subject to partisan analysis. It's a fact that Obama does terrible among rural voters and small cities no matter where he does. He needs these people who are voting Hillary to back him or he will lose to McCain.

[ardsdelinq]

McCain is the pro-war candidate, and people believe Obama is the antiwar candidate, and 70% of the American people want us out of Iraq. Unless they catch Obama fiddling with a little boy, it will be pretty damn hard for him to lose.

This is an election in which the party in power, which is seen to be the GOP, is going to swept from office. McCain is campaigning on continuing the same old policies. Obama is campaigning as an insurgent. And McCain is vulnerable on his key attribute with moderates, his supposed integrity.