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Old 03-03-2008, 11:03 PM   #1
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Seriously, Ecuador knew FARC was using their territory as a base but chose not to do anything about it. As usual Chavez is just grandstanding; he'll do anything for attention.
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:23 PM   #2
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Man, what a miscalculation attacking Colombia would be
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:50 PM   #3
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I think the point is the Colombian economy solely generates:

* Drugs -> more money
* Money -> more guns
* Guns -> more drugs

It's a cyclical thing and ends up generating huge numbers of guns... so Venezuela might end up with more than it can handle (and certainly Ecuador would).
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:53 PM   #4
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Originally posted by snoopy369
I think the point is the Colombian economy solely generates:

* Drugs -> more money
* Money -> more guns
* Guns -> more drugs

It's a cyclical thing and ends up generating huge numbers of guns... so Venezuela might end up with more than it can handle (and certainly Ecuador would). FARC controls a good deal of that action.
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:57 PM   #5
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I think Colombia has 45 million people, Venezuela 27 million and Ecuador 10 million.

If the war were Venezuela + Ecuador vs Colombia it would be interesting, Venezuela because of the oil is much wealthier than Colombia, they have a bigger gdp altough the population is much smaller.

Also, the Venezuelan military is quite good, and it is the only leftist military in south america, they are left wing nationalists.


When Franco was alive ETA used to hide in France (that even has happened till not so long ago), and the French would do nothing about it. Even if FARC was hiding in the Ecuatorian jungle, Colombia shouldnt have invaded Ecuatorian territory to hunt the terrorists.


If Ecuador werent much weaker than Colombia, I think they would have declared war, and it wouldnt be unjustified.

Chavez certainly will not tolerate an expeditionn of Colombian forces into venezuelan territory, it would be war 100%
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Old 03-04-2008, 12:13 AM   #6
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How is this action viewed generally in your part of the world? Any sympathy for Colombia's actions?

I have the feeling that internally, Colombia's actions were very popular and proof that Ecuador was at least turning a blind eye to FARC using its territory, and at worst nurturing it.
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:08 AM   #7
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I hate FARC and I wish Colombia would exterminate them all

But no one likes a neighbour country´s army making surprise raids in your territory.

And I dont think Ecuador supports FARC, it is completely possible that FARC was there and that the Ecuador gov knew nothing about it, it is all jungle, no one lives there.
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:14 AM   #8
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I agree that it was completely possible that Ecuador knew nothing about it. That's why I thought Ecuador would give Colombia's action a pass. Indeed, before Chavez started running his mouth, Ecuador didn't make super-angry noises.
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:15 AM   #9
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BTW, there wont be a war, at least not one started by Venezuela or Ecuador

- The colombian army is much much larger than the venezuelan one
-The colombian army is very experienced after decades of fighting FARC, it is also better trained, and has better weapons than the venezuelan one

-Chavez popularity has fallen the last year in Venezuela, he used to be loved by 65% of the population and hated by the rest, now it is 50%-50%

-Venezuela imports much food from Colombia

-Fighting Colombia would mean directly or indirectly fighting the USA too

-Venezuelans dont want a war against Colombia


It is all "show" by Chavez basically
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:26 AM   #10
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If there was a big war and Columbia won then they could recreate Gran Columbia. Well, minus Panama.
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:31 AM   #11
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I believe Columbia is the South American country with the best relationship with the US. We certainly give them tons of money and military equipment under Plan Columbia.
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:34 AM   #12
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CNN is reporting a claim by Columbia that Chavez gave $300 million to FARC.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...bia/index.html
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:37 AM   #13
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Dude, dont act as if venezuelans were aliens. The evil empire or axis of evil speeches were compelling for many americans
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:50 AM   #14
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Originally posted by Barnabas
Dude, dont act as if venezuelans were aliens. They aren't?
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:57 AM   #15
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Why, what is the US going to do? In response to an unprovoked attack by Venezula? Oh, I don't know, but it probably invoves a carrier of two and some heavies out of Louisiana.
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:49 AM   #16
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Back down from what? They didn't do anything to Venezula in the first place, and what they did do to Equador is over with.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:07 AM   #17
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Originally posted by Patroklos


In response to an unprovoked attack by Venezula? Oh, I don't know, but it probably invoves a carrier of two and some heavies out of Louisiana. And watch the price of oil go through the roof.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:11 AM   #18
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Back down from what? They didn't do anything to Venezula in the first place, and what they did do to Equador is over with. 1. I didn't mention Venezuela. Lula is the (center-left) President of Brazil.
2. Back down from their antagonistic relations with their neighbors and apologize profusely...
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:13 AM   #19
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Do you even know the first thing about how markets work? There would be a panic. Yeah, thats why I said spike. A humiliating defeat at the hands of primarily fellow South Americans with a little US air power thrown in means no more Chavez and thus a properly run oil industry. Or in other words, lower oil prices long term.

Honestly, how long could a border war like that last? Chavez can't aford a protracted military campaign even if the US doesn't get involved.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:26 AM   #20
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Originally posted by Ramo


1. I didn't mention Venezuela. Lula is the (center-left) President of Brazil.
2. Back down from their antagonistic relations with their neighbors and apologize profusely... if they apologize profusely won't that provide more incentive for FARC to continue sheltering in neighboring countries?

Apologizing is the last thing Colombia should do.

It should instead issue a statement of regret for any misunderstanding on the part of the Venezuelan and Ecuadorian governments.
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