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Old 01-13-2008, 12:00 AM   #1
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Dude, we've all seen all Ted presentations already. !!

That's a good one anyway.
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:20 AM   #2
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WTF is TED?
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:27 AM   #3
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Many of the buildings will need adapted reuse though in order to stay relavent. Also we should preserve the best and junk the rest in order to improve public spaces though we have to make sure we are actually improve them and not just building some new crap that is worse then before.
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Old 01-13-2008, 02:10 AM   #4
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This guy's an asshat. I hate suburbs too. With a real passion. But they are there for a reason -- they work economically. Suburbs work better than cities. If you don't like their proliferation, then you've got to make cities work economically.

This guy's out to lunch if he thinks expensive oil will rescue failed cities. If the oil runs out, then you just use electricity. Problem solved. The suburb continues.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:01 AM   #5
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I don't think they work better than cities at all.
What's your measurement standard? It's a pretty simple standard. Most people can go live in a normal US suburb and enjoy a very high standard of living. It's not the same in a city. I live in the city and none of those nice scenes that this guy pictures include families -- there's not a single family in my ~ 150 unit condo building.

Look, Americans have a great deal of choice about where they will live and have few qualms about moving. They live in suburbs for what they believe to be good reasons.
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:25 AM   #6
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:35 AM   #7
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Old 01-13-2008, 03:37 AM   #8
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Then why do you measure in pounds?
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:11 AM   #9
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I only hate teh fat ones.
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:24 AM   #10
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Originally posted by DanS


It's a pretty simple standard. Most people can go live in a normal US suburb and enjoy a very high standard of living. It's not the same in a city. I live in the city and none of those nice scenes that this guy pictures include families -- there's not a single family in my ~ 150 unit condo building. I live in a building with 112 Units, and there are a LOT of families, so many that they are looking for space to put a playroom for all the damned rugrats. Maybe you should move to a dynamic lively city and not that dump you live in.


Look, Americans have a great deal of choice about where they will live and have few qualms about moving. They live in suburbs for what they believe to be good reasons. Americans live in suburbs because gas is cheap in the US and banks are willing to loan cheap money for new housing developments.
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:28 AM   #11
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Old people are allowed to be fat and you're not really a fatso Grandpa..... just a regular grandpa. it's not types like you that was being discussed
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Old 01-13-2008, 04:55 PM   #12
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Originally posted by Pekka
Yeah, we'll take your word for the luxuries of suburbia, give us some of them little boxes, NOWWWWWWWWW!!
You're misinformed.
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Old 01-13-2008, 05:56 PM   #13
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If I'm called either fat OR stupid, misinformed yet again.
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Old 01-13-2008, 06:33 PM   #14
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Sloww, well I wasn't calling you fat or stupid no was I? No no, peo ple who oppose TED talkers are fat, stupid or both.
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Old 01-13-2008, 07:12 PM   #15
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Originally posted by GePap
I live in a building with 112 Units, and there are a LOT of families, so many that they are looking for space to put a playroom for all the damned rugrats. Maybe you should move to a dynamic lively city and not that dump you live in. Very few have chosen to live in your circumstance. Can you tell me why so many people choose to move from your fair city?

Americans live in suburbs because gas is cheap in the US and banks are willing to loan cheap money for new housing developments. You and this guy must get together to coordinate your asshatery. The differential in prices per square foot residential would be only fractionally impacted by high gasoline prices. Seriously, is basic math beyond you?
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Old 01-13-2008, 09:20 PM   #16
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Originally posted by DanS


Very few have chosen to live in your circumstance. Can you tell me why so many people choose to move from your fair city? Very few? The City I live in has more people than most states. You have a weird definition of few.

You and this guy must get together to coordinate your asshatery. The differential in prices per square foot residential would be only fractionally impacted by high gasoline prices. Seriously, is basic math beyond you? Why would residential prices in Cities be so high if no one wants to live in them??? Maybe its because in fact demand is extremely high and the supply very limited, which shows you are, well, DanS?

Its cheap to build out in the middle of nowhere because people find it okay to spend their day driving to and fro, and of course because this country is still half empty.
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:02 PM   #17
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Originally posted by DanS
The building methods of a city are different and much more expensive than the building methods of the suburb. Q F T
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Old 01-13-2008, 10:10 PM   #18
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I live in the suburbs and I like it, so nyeh .

I also take the train into work, so it isn't like more expensive gas would bring me back into the city or anything.

And yes, Dan is right. It costs more to build in a city than in a suburb. Building up rather than building out will naturally cost more. And a lot of people rather like having more house and driving a bit more than a smaller place and driving less.

Suburbs are subsidized.

Because cities are not?
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Old 01-14-2008, 08:46 PM   #19
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Originally posted by VetLegion
For example in this square, a company wanted to tear down a completely nondescript building (the smallest one in the picture) and build something new and useful (and profitable for them, but that's OK, right?). They were immediately branded as heartless profit-hungry capitalists who want to destroy city heritage and the project is currently oh hold.

I disagree. Pull down the large ugly one on the left and build something attractive. The two older ones in the centre of the picture are worth keeping IMO.

Not too fussed about what happens to the church tbh, but I'm sure many devout Croatians would disagree. :troll: On second thoughts - turn the church into flats. I live in a neo-gothic church conversion and it's cool.
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Old 01-14-2008, 10:04 PM   #20
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[q=DanS]This guy's out to lunch if he thinks expensive oil will rescue failed cities. If the oil runs out, then you just use electricity. Problem solved. The suburb continues.[/q]

Am I the only one who sees the absolute stupidity to one side of this satement?
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