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Old 01-02-2008, 04:55 AM   #21
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Originally posted by Edan


Maybe they're referring to his national poll numbers, which are really low? Since this is the New Hampshire primary it seems like the poll numbers in New Hampshire are the most important. Especially since most of the candidates poll well in certain regions but not well nationally.
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:39 AM   #22
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Poll: Rest of U.S. tired of Iowa, N.H. prominence

02:41 PM CST on Tuesday, January 1, 2008


Associated Press


CONCORD, N.H. — All eyes may be on Iowa and New Hampshire, but many of them are rolling.


Despite efforts to evict the two states from the front of the presidential calendar, both managed to hang on for another election cycle that culminates with the Iowa caucuses on Thursday and the New Hampshire primary on Jan. 8. As a year of media attention reaches its crescendo, voters in other states are saying enough is enough.
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:48 AM   #23
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Enough is enough.
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:48 AM   #24
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Rotating primaries are the way to go.
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:54 AM   #25
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Originally posted by Edan


Iowa
New Hampshire I dunno. Having lived in Iowa during a caucus year, I thought it was great to have small states up front, since it forces candidates to deal with voters in person rather than just buying lots of media time/space. The Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary look way, way, way more like democracy than anything that follows them.

That being said, it doesn't always have to be the same two small states up front, although Iowa and NH are both swing states, which makes them especially interesting.

And back on topic: I gotta say, this is the kind of move that will only add fuel to a 3rd-party run by Paul, which should be the last thing the GOP would want. So I heartily approve.
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Old 01-02-2008, 06:52 AM   #26
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It's impolite not to share when you have drugs that good, Oerdin.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:07 AM   #27
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I know. I can't afford the primo stuff Oerdin apparently can. Poor me.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:13 AM   #28
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Will no one stop them?
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:17 AM   #29
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Alright, that's enough time in Dinodoc's fantasy world. Back on topic:

You'd think that if the GOP was afraid of Ron Paul running as a third party candidate, they'd do less to alienate him. Of course, it's probably hard for them to alter old habits.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:29 AM   #30
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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Yep. 3rd party candidates with a hard-core following of zealots never effect the outcome of an election. But don't take my word for it; just ask President Gore. You give Nader too much credit in engineering Gore's defeat. You forget to factor in Gore himself.

Looking at his national numbers and his hypocrisy, I'll stick with my contention that Oerdin should share.
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:47 AM   #31
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
You give Nader too much credit in engineering Gore's defeat. You forget to factor in Gore himself. Gore was a crap candidate, but won the national vote, and by all subsequent measures would have won the Florida recount. If it hadn't been for Nader, Florida never would have been in question to begin with. But that's old news.

Looking at his national numbers and his hypocrisy, I'll stick with my contention that Oerdin should share. His national numbers are at 3% of likely GOP primary voters. Let's say he retains half of that in a general election as a 3rd-party candidate. Given the last 2 elections -- one that was decided by 500 votes, the other of which provided the narrowest re-election victory of a president, ever -- I can't imagine the GOP wants to risk seeing 1-1.5 points siphoned off by Paul.
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Old 01-02-2008, 11:21 AM   #32
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Well I just finished sending my emails to Fov News complaining about this obviously biased decision. I hope others here will do the same, whether or not they are Ron Paul supporters.
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:10 PM   #33
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Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
That could be but this is a STATE debate, using National polling numbers is obscene, the whole point of the early primary states is to test the candidates in a small isolated contest ware people without national recognition can prove themselves.



Wouldn't that make him the Banana option?? exactly
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Old 01-02-2008, 02:52 PM   #34
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Originally posted by Deity Dude
Well I just finished sending my emails to Fov News complaining about this obviously biased decision. I hope others here will do the same, whether or not they are Ron Paul supporters. Why should people who are not Ron Paul supporters carry his water?
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Old 01-02-2008, 05:28 PM   #35
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Why should people who are not Ron Paul supporters carry his water? If one thinks it's unfair or wrong, even if one does not support Ron Paul, maybe?

The debates are crap anyway, so my gives a **** is broken.

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:18 PM   #36
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[q=Dogbert]My policy is to give all teh money in teh treasury to Iowans. But I might flip-flop after teh first primary[/q]
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Old 01-02-2008, 07:26 PM   #37
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Nader cost Gore Florida. Hands down, no debate about it. I'll debate. Nadar did well b/c the Dems were pathetic. Why does Nadar take the blame for a Dem Party that dems couldn't bring themselves to vote for?

Yes Nadar took "democratic" votes but only b/c the Democrats lost them. Their fault not his.
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